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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

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Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because
a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to
be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops
Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

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Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have
made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would
have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public support. I
guess he was just following the polls.
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Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they could
spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future spending,
which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So much extra cash
that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before now, and lots of
that money was committed as if the gobs of extra money was a permanent
source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an ongoing disaster, and was
a European problem. Did not concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy
tanks, etc that were requested. Black Hawk down was a disaster because of
no heavy armor. Why didn't Clinton authorize gays in the military,
instead of pushing under the rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just
like Truman ruled the military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to
gays destroying the military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some other
European countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the financial front.
It was already starting to crash, before the election. And Gore
accelerated the meltdown with his election claims. Clinton should have
fired Greenspan or at least had looked at the overheated market. But
Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack is
listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those who think they should
have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going to pay their
mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many problems just now to tackle
healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we need health care, and we will
take a year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000 page bill no one is
allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it and vote. Direct the
justice Department to prosecute any body who was in charge of Naked Shorts
and uncovered short sales on Wall Street, and force them to return all
profits and 10x punitive damages. Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing
bonus. He is listening the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership
that way. He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive
as hell.

You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond to
without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free country
(expecting another rant any second.....).

He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed you.