On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:56:58 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:51:58 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:34:37 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

It might be a good time to pick a "get out alive" price and place your
sell orders.

If you do that you will really lose money. We stuck it out and have
recovered a good chunk of money lost we lost in the pelosi plunge and
obama slide.

OK do what you want but I bet there is a correction and you can buy
your position back for about 60-70%% of where it was when you sold it.

Some day soon it will occur to Wall Street that the American consumer
is broke. The fat cats may still be getting their bonuses but we still
have double digit unemployment and worse "underemployment" where
skilled trades are wearing orange aprons in empty Home Depots.

Real recovery will start when the middle class recovers.That hasn't
happened yet


BTW another reason to get your sell orders in is to lock in your
profits under the Bush capital gains rates. As soon as they get this
health care deal settled, the next step is paying for it and capital
gains will be one place they "stick it to the rich". Right now you
only pay taxes on gains at a max of 15% and it is really even lower
than that for most people. Plan on that creeping up to your ordinary
income rate.

Some of us have a very minor capital loss to apply to the gains. Maybe
there's not such a reason to rush the sale yet.

On Oct 15, 9:34*am, Keith Nuttle wrote:

If you do that you will really lose money. *We stuck it out and have
recovered a good chunk of money lost we lost in the pelosi plunge and
obama slide.

guess he thinks obama's been president for 8 years....

seems the right's been in a coma for a long time...but not long enough


The plunge and slide is blamed on President Bush, but he did not refuse
to support the Constitutional mandate of providing a stable money supply
as pelosi did when she killed the first bailout bill on September 28,
2008. *In the next 12 days the market lost 30% of its value (from about
11500 to 8500)

the recession began in 12/07. and the BAILOUT bill was to correct
MARKET FAILURES caused by the right wing. it's like complaining about
a bandage your doctor is putting on to prevent bleeding to death. the
right wing came after the middle class with a rwanda-like intent.


Check the facts yourself athttp://www.google.com/finance?cid=983582
and don't listen to the liberal press.

don't listen to the right wing press in this country...


If you check the history of the markets obama is the third president in
over 100 years that the market responded negatively when they were
elected. *The market lost another 30% of its value from Election day
November 4 2008 until March 10, 2009 when Congress gave obama his first
defeat. (From 9000 to about 6500)

the market was at 6500 when obama took office

it's increase 50%

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:02:20 -0400, Jim wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:59 am, H the K wrote:
On 10/15/09 11:50 AM, wf3h wrote:





On Oct 15, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
obama can't repair ALL the damage bush did in a few short months...
With the amount of money he's going through, he should be able to do a
lot better than he is.
meaningless. the fact is most of the money has not yet been spent
Where are all the infrastructure projects he was going to get going?
ROFLMAO!! you know, i'm an engineer and when i see an idiot like you
make a comment like that, it just confirms my view of the right wing.
you've never worked on an engineering project, have you?
\
Herring claims he was a combat engineer or something like that during
the war he helped lose in Vietnam. Maybe he helped clear minefields.

As an aside, I have seen signs in Maryland proclaiming that all or part
of the projects being described was funded with stimulus funds.

In Virginia, it took about 1 second to find this:

Published:23-July-2009

By WCIN Staff Writer

The Commonwealth of Virginia will receive $4.8 billion from ARRA.

exactly. they WILL receive funds...they then have to plan the
project, get rights of way, buy property, order material...etc etc
etc...

the morons of the right assume that roads just drop out of the sky.
the rest of us know they have to be built

Will you mutts please stop calling us names?

Wasn't something said about money going to projects that are shovel ready?

It does seem like we've got a passle of decaying bridges where no land
needs to be bought and no surveying needs to be done.

On Oct 15, 1:25*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:31 am, Keith Nuttle wrote:
wf3h wrote:

don't rely on the right wing media for your news
If you would read what I referenced it is the daily closing for the *DOW
for the last several year. That is not dependent on the obama news media.

the BLS says the recession started in 12/07.

regardless of your tin foil hat delusions. and bush was president

Again if you look at the DOW closing history, the financial bailout that
was passed, stabilized the market after the pelosi plunge until obama
took office, then it started the obama slide

obama slide? how is a 10,000 market a 'slide'?

do right wingers know how to count?

The market started to reclaim what it had lost when obama suffered his
first the small defeat at the hands of the congress in the middle of
March 2009.


the democratic congress that negotiated a recovery plan with the
democratic president?

yes, i agree. the democrats handle the economoy better than the GOP
does.

thanks. i already knew that

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:25:21 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:31 am, Keith Nuttle wrote:
wf3h wrote:

don't rely on the right wing media for your news
If you would read what I referenced it is the daily closing for the DOW
for the last several year. That is not dependent on the obama news media.

the BLS says the recession started in 12/07.

regardless of your tin foil hat delusions. and bush was president

Again if you look at the DOW closing history, the financial bailout that
was passed, stabilized the market after the pelosi plunge until obama
took office, then it started the obama slide

obama slide? how is a 10,000 market a 'slide'?

do right wingers know how to count?

The market started to reclaim what it had lost when obama suffered his
first the small defeat at the hands of the congress in the middle of
March 2009.

Read the data.

The market's done quite well since we learned that the Olympics are
not coming to Chicago.

Heck, the market reaction to 'Bama's winning of the Peace Prize shows
it has a keen sense of humor also.

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/15/09 12:51 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
news
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:34:37 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

It might be a good time to pick a "get out alive" price and place your
sell orders.

If you do that you will really lose money. We stuck it out and have
recovered a good chunk of money lost we lost in the pelosi plunge and
obama slide.

OK do what you want but I bet there is a correction and you can buy
your position back for about 60-70%% of where it was when you sold it.

Some day soon it will occur to Wall Street that the American consumer
is broke. The fat cats may still be getting their bonuses but we still
have double digit unemployment and worse "underemployment" where
skilled trades are wearing orange aprons in empty Home Depots.

Real recovery will start when the middle class recovers.That hasn't
happened yet


There will likely be a correction toward the end of the year. This is
what
I've heard from several sources. That doesn't mean it'll be a dramatic
correction. Corrections are normal and expected. It's foolish in the
extreme
to attempt to time the market. The best strategy is dollar cost averaging
and diversification, both domestically and in foreign markets. The
technical
recovery has begun, but unemployment will continue to climb, likely to 10
or
even 11 percent. That, coupled with underemployment and a rise in
foreclosures will likely continue for the next year or so. There's a
demographic shift also going on to an older population, and this will
continue to put pressure on the economy, as healthcare costs continue to
rise unless something dramatic is done.

My guess is that something fairly dramatic will be done regarding the
insurance company cartel (they are exempt from anti-trust laws). This
will
likely get a lot of attention in the next few months. Certainly, over the
next few years, the insurance companies will prove to the general public
(and to Congress) that the current system is unsustainable, as many in
both
groups still don't believe it. When that happens, it would probably be
best
not to be heavily invested in such companies.

Thus spake the Oracle. lol




I think the health insurers should lose their anti-trust exemptions.
Frankly, I don't know what public purpose private, for-profit health
insurers serve.


It serves no purpose except to ensure their profits. I believe a couple of
senators are circulating a bill to revote that status.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In article , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/15/09 12:44 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:59 am, H the wrote:
On 10/15/09 11:50 AM, wf3h wrote:





On Oct 15, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

obama can't repair ALL the damage bush did in a few short months...

With the amount of money he's going through, he should be able to do a
lot better than he is.

meaningless. the fact is most of the money has not yet been spent

Where are all the infrastructure projects he was going to get going?

ROFLMAO!! you know, i'm an engineer and when i see an idiot like you
make a comment like that, it just confirms my view of the right wing.
you've never worked on an engineering project, have you?
\

Herring claims he was a combat engineer or something like that during
the war he helped lose in Vietnam. Maybe he helped clear minefields.

As an aside, I have seen signs in Maryland proclaiming that all or part
of the projects being described was funded with stimulus funds.

In Virginia, it took about 1 second to find this:

Published:23-July-2009

By WCIN Staff Writer

The Commonwealth of Virginia will receive $4.8 billion from ARRA.

exactly. they WILL receive funds...they then have to plan the
project, get rights of way, buy property, order material...etc etc
etc...

the morons of the right assume that roads just drop out of the sky.
the rest of us know they have to be built


Morons of the right is so...right.
We certainly have a plethora of them in here...John Herring being a
prime example. But...his buddy Scott Ingersoll is even dumber.


You mutts seem to run in packs.

Harry is real brave under his desk. He had his chance to meet up and get
his beating this summer with me and loogie, but like most little
bitches, he ran for the hills. Seems all of these far lefties are
cowardly little bitches with nothing to add to much of anything...

On 10/15/09 1:45 PM, Tosk wrote:
In , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/15/09 12:44 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:59 am, H the wrote:
On 10/15/09 11:50 AM, wf3h wrote:





On Oct 15, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

obama can't repair ALL the damage bush did in a few short months...

With the amount of money he's going through, he should be able to do a
lot better than he is.

meaningless. the fact is most of the money has not yet been spent

Where are all the infrastructure projects he was going to get going?

ROFLMAO!! you know, i'm an engineer and when i see an idiot like you
make a comment like that, it just confirms my view of the right wing.
you've never worked on an engineering project, have you?
\

Herring claims he was a combat engineer or something like that during
the war he helped lose in Vietnam. Maybe he helped clear minefields.

As an aside, I have seen signs in Maryland proclaiming that all or part
of the projects being described was funded with stimulus funds.

In Virginia, it took about 1 second to find this:

Published:23-July-2009

By WCIN Staff Writer

The Commonwealth of Virginia will receive $4.8 billion from ARRA.

exactly. they WILL receive funds...they then have to plan the
project, get rights of way, buy property, order material...etc etc
etc...

the morons of the right assume that roads just drop out of the sky.
the rest of us know they have to be built


Morons of the right is so...right.
We certainly have a plethora of them in here...John Herring being a
prime example. But...his buddy Scott Ingersoll is even dumber.


You mutts seem to run in packs.

Harry is real brave under his desk. He had his chance to meet up and get
his beating this summer with me and loogie, but like most little
bitches, he ran for the hills. Seems all of these far lefties are
cowardly little bitches with nothing to add to much of anything...


Wow....you and loogie were hanging out together? What a stench that must
have created.

I was in Connecticut for a couple of days this past summer, but I had no
reason to visit your part of the state.

You know where I live...if you try to break in some night, you know
exactly who you will meet.



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http://tinyurl.com/ykaa4k7

"Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

H the K wrote:
On 10/15/09 12:44 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:59 am, H the wrote:
On 10/15/09 11:50 AM, wf3h wrote:





On Oct 15, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

obama can't repair ALL the damage bush did in a few short
months...

With the amount of money he's going through, he should be able to
do a
lot better than he is.

meaningless. the fact is most of the money has not yet been spent

Where are all the infrastructure projects he was going to get
going?

ROFLMAO!! you know, i'm an engineer and when i see an idiot like you
make a comment like that, it just confirms my view of the right
wing.
you've never worked on an engineering project, have you?
\

Herring claims he was a combat engineer or something like that during
the war he helped lose in Vietnam. Maybe he helped clear minefields.

As an aside, I have seen signs in Maryland proclaiming that all or
part
of the projects being described was funded with stimulus funds.

In Virginia, it took about 1 second to find this:

Published:23-July-2009

By WCIN Staff Writer

The Commonwealth of Virginia will receive $4.8 billion from ARRA.

exactly. they WILL receive funds...they then have to plan the
project, get rights of way, buy property, order material...etc etc
etc...

the morons of the right assume that roads just drop out of the sky.
the rest of us know they have to be built


Morons of the right is so...right.
We certainly have a plethora of them in here...John Herring being a
prime example. But...his buddy Scott Ingersoll is even dumber.


You mutts seem to run in packs.

Harry is real brave under his desk. He had his chance to meet up and get
his beating this summer with me and loogie, but like most little
bitches, he ran for the hills. Seems all of these far lefties are
cowardly little bitches with nothing to add to much of anything...


You sound like a paper tiger... I sincerely doubt you'd have the guts to say
anything like this to my face, and I'm not much of a match physically. It
sure is easy to lie when you don't have to face someone. You must be quite
the manly man with women.

--
Nom=de=Plume

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:02:20 -0400, Jim wrote:

wf3h wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:59 am, H the K wrote:
On 10/15/09 11:50 AM, wf3h wrote:





On Oct 15, 11:32 am, John wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
obama can't repair ALL the damage bush did in a few short months...
With the amount of money he's going through, he should be able to do
a
lot better than he is.
meaningless. the fact is most of the money has not yet been spent
Where are all the infrastructure projects he was going to get going?
ROFLMAO!! you know, i'm an engineer and when i see an idiot like you
make a comment like that, it just confirms my view of the right wing.
you've never worked on an engineering project, have you?
\
Herring claims he was a combat engineer or something like that during
the war he helped lose in Vietnam. Maybe he helped clear minefields.

As an aside, I have seen signs in Maryland proclaiming that all or part
of the projects being described was funded with stimulus funds.

In Virginia, it took about 1 second to find this:

Published:23-July-2009

By WCIN Staff Writer

The Commonwealth of Virginia will receive $4.8 billion from ARRA.

exactly. they WILL receive funds...they then have to plan the
project, get rights of way, buy property, order material...etc etc
etc...

the morons of the right assume that roads just drop out of the sky.
the rest of us know they have to be built

Will you mutts please stop calling us names?

Wasn't something said about money going to projects that are shovel ready?

It does seem like we've got a passle of decaying bridges where no land
needs to be bought and no surveying needs to be done.


And, many are in process and many are planned for as soon as the money
arrives. This is common knowledge, but I suppose if you keep denying it,
then it must not be true.

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Nom=de=Plume