On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:42:55 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:56:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:24:55 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:33:12 -0700, jps wrote:


Let me not be the one to judge who should and who should not make my
skin crawl as a potential NFL owner. Let's hear the stewards of
professional football speak for themselves...


BOSTON -- Rush Limbaugh's bid to buy the St. Louis Rams ran into
opposition within the NFL on Tuesday, when Colts owner Jim Irsay vowed
to vote against him and commissioner Roger Goodell said the
conservative commentator's "divisive" comments would not be tolerated
from any NFL insider.

"I, myself, couldn't even consider voting for him," Irsay said at an
owners meetings. "When there are comments that have been made that are
inappropriate, incendiary and insensitive ... our words do damage, and
it's something that we don't need."

Limbaugh has long been a hero of conservatives and villain to the
left, thriving on his place in the political spectrum while
establishing himself as one of the most successful broadcasters in
history. But the NFL tries to avoid controversy, as Limbaugh learned
in 2003 when he was forced to resign from ESPN's Sunday Night Football
broadcast after saying of Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb: "I think what
we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has
been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."

Goodell repeatedly distanced the league from Limbaugh's statements on
Tuesday, calling them "polarizing comments that we don't think reflect
accurately on the NFL or our players."

"I have said many times before that we are all held to a higher
standard here," the commissioner said. "I think divisive comments are
not what the NFL is all about. I would not want to see those kind of
comments from people who are in a responsible position within the NFL.
No. Absolutely not."

According to transcripts posted on his Web site, in 2007 Limbaugh also
said: "The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and
the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it." That comment, and
others, resurfaced this month when he revealed he is teaming with St.
Louis Blues owner Dave Checketts to bid on the Rams.

Let me phrase the question differently. What persons would I be
villified and punished for judging them?

In fact, I'll further tool the question (no double entendre intended).
What persons would I be condemned for judging those persons, or what
persons do I not have the freedom to judge?

First, you'd have to pose the question in a way that made any sense.

Secondly, you judge others pretty consistently so I wonder where you
have any standing to question my pursuit of same?

Thirdly, what would Jesus do about Rush Limbaugh?

Fourthly, how do you feel about Rush? Is he your BFF?

I suppose you'll cajole me into paying complete attention; "For what
persons would I be villified and punished for judging those same
persons?"

WWJD? About Rush? Let's take a look (perhaps you can make sense of
this, assuming you have a good grasp of Jesus' deportment);

NAS Mat 15:22. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and
began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my
daughter is cruelly demon-possessed."
23. But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and
implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at
us."
24. But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of
the house of Israel."

Was the Christ racist?
Now, I would expect that you are able to describe in what manner I
judge others (consistently, that is). I'm able to confuse the issue,
possibly, by once again resorting to Scripture;

NAS Luke 9:52. and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went
and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53. But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward
Jerusalem.
54. When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do
You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume
them?"
55. But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what
kind of spirit you are of;
56. for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to
save them."] And they went on to another village.

Was the Christ forgiving? We'll consider another relevent passage;

NAS Mat 23:27. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For
you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful,
but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you
are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the
tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30. and say, `If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we
would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the
prophets.'
31. "So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who
murdered the prophets.
32. "Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.
33. "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the
sentence of hell?

So, was the Christ judgemental?

Consequently, if you have license to judge Limbaugh for an allegedly
overt prejudice, one he claims not to have, do you likewise have the
hubris to criticize or condemn me if I were to judge the likes of
Barney Frank?

Now then, how do I "feel" about Rush Limbaugh? Limbaugh, like Michael
Moore, is a propagandist. He resorts to informal fallacy. He is
puerile in his mockery of others. He is far from someone I would care
to emulate or revere. However, as much as I find Michael Moore to be
offensive, I don't begrudge him making his 'documentaries.' I have as
much license to rebut and refute his campaign of disinformation.
Similarly, I don't begrudge Limbaugh having an ownership stake in an
NFL team. I have license and the freedom to not watch a Ram's game,
should I choose.

Hopefully, I can tie all of this together to make it somewhat
sensible. What would Jesus do about Rush? He would forgive him.

Regardless of any comments by jps, that was well done!

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:06:24 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:42:55 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:21:12 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:56:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:24:55 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:33:12 -0700, jps wrote:


snipped for brevity

WWJD? About Rush? Let's take a look (perhaps you can make sense of
this, assuming you have a good grasp of Jesus' deportment);

NAS Mat 15:22. And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and
began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my
daughter is cruelly demon-possessed."
23. But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and
implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at
us."
24. But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of
the house of Israel."

Was the Christ racist?
Now, I would expect that you are able to describe in what manner I
judge others (consistently, that is). I'm able to confuse the issue,
possibly, by once again resorting to Scripture;

NAS Luke 9:52. and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went
and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53. But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward
Jerusalem.
54. When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, do
You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume
them?"
55. But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, "You do not know what
kind of spirit you are of;
56. for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to
save them."] And they went on to another village.

Was the Christ forgiving? We'll consider another relevent passage;

NAS Mat 23:27. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For
you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful,
but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you
are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the
tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30. and say, `If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we
would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the
prophets.'
31. "So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who
murdered the prophets.
32. "Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.
33. "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the
sentence of hell?

So, was the Christ judgemental?

Consequently, if you have license to judge Limbaugh for an allegedly
overt prejudice, one he claims not to have, do you likewise have the
hubris to criticize or condemn me if I were to judge the likes of
Barney Frank?

Now then, how do I "feel" about Rush Limbaugh? Limbaugh, like Michael
Moore, is a propagandist. He resorts to informal fallacy. He is
puerile in his mockery of others. He is far from someone I would care
to emulate or revere. However, as much as I find Michael Moore to be
offensive, I don't begrudge him making his 'documentaries.' I have as
much license to rebut and refute his campaign of disinformation.
Similarly, I don't begrudge Limbaugh having an ownership stake in an
NFL team. I have license and the freedom to not watch a Ram's game,
should I choose.

Hopefully, I can tie all of this together to make it somewhat
sensible. What would Jesus do about Rush? He would forgive him.

Regardless of any comments by jps, that was well done!

These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

As weary as I was last night, though, when I wrote this, I'm surprised
I was able to articulate any cogent thought at all. :)

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Consequently, if you have license to judge Limbaugh for an allegedly
overt prejudice, one he claims not to have, do you likewise have the
hubris to criticize or condemn me if I were to judge the likes of
Barney Frank?

Now then, how do I "feel" about Rush Limbaugh? Limbaugh, like Michael
Moore, is a propagandist. He resorts to informal fallacy. He is
puerile in his mockery of others. He is far from someone I would care
to emulate or revere. However, as much as I find Michael Moore to be
offensive, I don't begrudge him making his 'documentaries.' I have as
much license to rebut and refute his campaign of disinformation.
Similarly, I don't begrudge Limbaugh having an ownership stake in an
NFL team. I have license and the freedom to not watch a Ram's game,
should I choose.

Hopefully, I can tie all of this together to make it somewhat
sensible. What would Jesus do about Rush? He would forgive him.

Regardless of any comments by jps, that was well done!

These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

As weary as I was last night, though, when I wrote this, I'm surprised
I was able to articulate any cogent thought at all. :)


I haven't really been following this thread, but what they heck...

I am _not_ a football fan. I don't see the big deal with Rush buying a team.
I believe the commissioner said that he (or was it other owners) would block
it since owners are expected to not make inflamatory public statements.
Also, I'm not sure why Rush would want to buy a team... I heard someone say
it's a perfect socialistic system, as the profits from TV are equally
divided. Perhaps Rush doesn't know this.. we wouldn't want his fat head to
explode! Ok, to give him some credit, he supposedly lost 85 lbs. recently.
lol

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
Consequently, if you have license to judge Limbaugh for an allegedly
overt prejudice, one he claims not to have, do you likewise have the
hubris to criticize or condemn me if I were to judge the likes of
Barney Frank?

Now then, how do I "feel" about Rush Limbaugh? Limbaugh, like Michael
Moore, is a propagandist. He resorts to informal fallacy. He is
puerile in his mockery of others. He is far from someone I would care
to emulate or revere. However, as much as I find Michael Moore to be
offensive, I don't begrudge him making his 'documentaries.' I have as
much license to rebut and refute his campaign of disinformation.
Similarly, I don't begrudge Limbaugh having an ownership stake in an
NFL team. I have license and the freedom to not watch a Ram's game,
should I choose.

Hopefully, I can tie all of this together to make it somewhat
sensible. What would Jesus do about Rush? He would forgive him.

Regardless of any comments by jps, that was well done!

These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

As weary as I was last night, though, when I wrote this, I'm surprised
I was able to articulate any cogent thought at all. :)


I haven't really been following this thread, but what they heck...

I am _not_ a football fan. I don't see the big deal with Rush buying a team.
I believe the commissioner said that he (or was it other owners) would block
it since owners are expected to not make inflamatory public statements.
Also, I'm not sure why Rush would want to buy a team... I heard someone say
it's a perfect socialistic system, as the profits from TV are equally
divided. Perhaps Rush doesn't know this.. we wouldn't want his fat head to
explode! Ok, to give him some credit, he supposedly lost 85 lbs. recently.
lol

There's a touch of irony in this debate in that the fight for years
has been the effort to pierce the exclusive club mentality of certain
organizations such as the Boy Scouts, and now there's a necessity of
the exclusive club mentality of NFL ownership. If hypocrisy needed
the examplar of an anecdote, this would do.

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
Consequently, if you have license to judge Limbaugh for an allegedly
overt prejudice, one he claims not to have, do you likewise have the
hubris to criticize or condemn me if I were to judge the likes of
Barney Frank?

Now then, how do I "feel" about Rush Limbaugh? Limbaugh, like Michael
Moore, is a propagandist. He resorts to informal fallacy. He is
puerile in his mockery of others. He is far from someone I would care
to emulate or revere. However, as much as I find Michael Moore to be
offensive, I don't begrudge him making his 'documentaries.' I have as
much license to rebut and refute his campaign of disinformation.
Similarly, I don't begrudge Limbaugh having an ownership stake in an
NFL team. I have license and the freedom to not watch a Ram's game,
should I choose.

Hopefully, I can tie all of this together to make it somewhat
sensible. What would Jesus do about Rush? He would forgive him.

Regardless of any comments by jps, that was well done!

These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

As weary as I was last night, though, when I wrote this, I'm surprised
I was able to articulate any cogent thought at all. :)


I haven't really been following this thread, but what they heck...

I am _not_ a football fan. I don't see the big deal with Rush buying a
team.
I believe the commissioner said that he (or was it other owners) would
block
it since owners are expected to not make inflamatory public statements.
Also, I'm not sure why Rush would want to buy a team... I heard someone
say
it's a perfect socialistic system, as the profits from TV are equally
divided. Perhaps Rush doesn't know this.. we wouldn't want his fat head to
explode! Ok, to give him some credit, he supposedly lost 85 lbs. recently.
lol

There's a touch of irony in this debate in that the fight for years
has been the effort to pierce the exclusive club mentality of certain
organizations such as the Boy Scouts, and now there's a necessity of
the exclusive club mentality of NFL ownership. If hypocrisy needed
the examplar of an anecdote, this would do.


I always liked Boy Scouts... they are so nice and helpful. The only thing
that bothered me was that they would _never_ buy the Girl Scout cookies when
I was a girl. They just walked by. lol

As I said, I don't know much about (or care about) FB. The whole sport seems
so contrived. Hockey I like. I don't understand it, but I like it. The funny
part is when they're in the penalty box and they still manage to get in
fights.

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

snipped with insouciance

There's a touch of irony in this debate in that the fight for years
has been the effort to pierce the exclusive club mentality of certain
organizations such as the Boy Scouts, and now there's a necessity of
the exclusive club mentality of NFL ownership. If hypocrisy needed
the examplar of an anecdote, this would do.


I always liked Boy Scouts... they are so nice and helpful. The only thing
that bothered me was that they would _never_ buy the Girl Scout cookies when
I was a girl. They just walked by. lol

I feel guilty now. I must have passed about 6 troops spread out over
a couple of towns a couple of weeks ago. I even had one of the
mother's flirt with me at a stand set up in front of Walmart. I just
walked on by...

As I said, I don't know much about (or care about) FB. The whole sport seems
so contrived. Hockey I like. I don't understand it, but I like it. The funny
part is when they're in the penalty box and they still manage to get in
fights.

LOL! I have been baffled before by women that love to watch pro
hockey. What is it exactly that women find fascinating about hockey?

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

snipped with insouciance

There's a touch of irony in this debate in that the fight for years
has been the effort to pierce the exclusive club mentality of certain
organizations such as the Boy Scouts, and now there's a necessity of
the exclusive club mentality of NFL ownership. If hypocrisy needed
the examplar of an anecdote, this would do.


I always liked Boy Scouts... they are so nice and helpful. The only thing
that bothered me was that they would _never_ buy the Girl Scout cookies
when
I was a girl. They just walked by. lol

I feel guilty now. I must have passed about 6 troops spread out over
a couple of towns a couple of weeks ago. I even had one of the
mother's flirt with me at a stand set up in front of Walmart. I just
walked on by...

Heathen!

As I said, I don't know much about (or care about) FB. The whole sport
seems
so contrived. Hockey I like. I don't understand it, but I like it. The
funny
part is when they're in the penalty box and they still manage to get in
fights.

LOL! I have been baffled before by women that love to watch pro
hockey. What is it exactly that women find fascinating about hockey?

They like to watch other people get hit on without effect? lol

I don't know... raw wildness and graceful power while being in and out of
control on the ice. For all the cold in the arena, I'm never cold at a game.

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

snipped with insouciance

There's a touch of irony in this debate in that the fight for years
has been the effort to pierce the exclusive club mentality of certain
organizations such as the Boy Scouts, and now there's a necessity of
the exclusive club mentality of NFL ownership. If hypocrisy needed
the examplar of an anecdote, this would do.


I always liked Boy Scouts... they are so nice and helpful. The only thing
that bothered me was that they would _never_ buy the Girl Scout cookies
when
I was a girl. They just walked by. lol

I feel guilty now. I must have passed about 6 troops spread out over
a couple of towns a couple of weeks ago. I even had one of the
mother's flirt with me at a stand set up in front of Walmart. I just
walked on by...

As I said, I don't know much about (or care about) FB. The whole sport
seems
so contrived. Hockey I like. I don't understand it, but I like it. The
funny
part is when they're in the penalty box and they still manage to get in
fights.

LOL! I have been baffled before by women that love to watch pro
hockey. What is it exactly that women find fascinating about hockey?

--
Those manly Canadian players, of course!

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:47 -0500, wrote:


These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

Always liked the looks of the Sebring, but not knowing anything about
Chryco cars, never went after one.
Had a '55 Belvidere stick (actually my ma's) and had a '74 Dart
Swinger. It dad that good straight 6 but the body rotted like tin.
What do you mean by "they're like dodge convertibles?"
If it's something dirty, just try to suggest your meaning with some
delicacy. I'm pretty sensitive.

--Vic

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:21:28 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:47 -0500, wrote:


These folks sport their royal double-standards in the melee of
political conversation, and when it's shown that it's nothing but tin
foil, they lose their emblematic moral dilemma post haste. They're
like dodge convertibles, if you know what I mean.

Always liked the looks of the Sebring, but not knowing anything about
Chryco cars, never went after one.
Had a '55 Belvidere stick (actually my ma's) and had a '74 Dart
Swinger. It dad that good straight 6 but the body rotted like tin.
What do you mean by "they're like dodge convertibles?"
If it's something dirty, just try to suggest your meaning with some
delicacy. I'm pretty sensitive.

--Vic

There's no double entendre intended, Vic. It was more of a metaphor.
The only convertible I've ever had in possession was a Triumph
Spitfire, '71 if I remember correctly. Looked something like this,
but was orange with with racing strips;

http://www.motaa.com/Images09/74%20t...LER %20N9.jpg

If that was the greatest ride in the world! It was like riding right
above the pavement.

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