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Refining "Green" trash
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Oct 15, 10:59*am, John H. wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:57:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:10 -0400, KotP-A wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:38:27 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400, KotP-A wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:21 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:10:15 -0400, KotP-A wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:11 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: My son sent me this. I think it would be an excellent way to help eliminate land fills and pollution by efficiently turning crap into "clean" carbon for various uses. http://www.mantria.com/mantria_industries.shtml click below the vid. I kept hitting the arrow on the screen and nothing happened. then I clicked below it where it says "Click here....." Oh, never mind Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source. I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too. Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was good for the environment or economically viable. My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York. The paper was being processed in Georgia. I think the sale of water in plastic bottles should be outlawed. If water must be sold, it should be done in glass and returned for a deposit. Why not just burn them in the waste to energy plant? Do you know how much energy it takes to ship glass? There is also the hazard broken glass poses in the whole retail to recycle chain. We got away from glass bottles for a reason. OK, OK. Require a deposit for all plastic bottles. That way most will get returned and recycled. Hopefully fewer will end up in the dump or Chesapeake Bay. You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - make it high enough and people will be importing them in from out of state. Make it high everywhere! |
Refining "Green" trash
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Refining "Green" trash
wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years . |
Refining "Green" trash
Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years . Good system, eh? The Obama administration will be all over that and it might be Moore's next documentary! |
Refining "Green" trash
"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:00:53 -0300, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years . What do the stores do with the bottles that are returned? They don't go back to the stores anymore. You have to take them to an official recycling depot. They are then put in hugh containers and shipped out to be melted down and the material re-used. |
Refining "Green" trash
On Oct 15, 6:00*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. *This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you think the FAGGOT SCOTTY INGERSOLL finances his junk boats?????? Obviously, the money aint going in to that ****house he lives in........ The poor Wife. |
Refining "Green" trash
On Oct 15, 7:37*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:00:53 -0300, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying.. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. *This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years . What do the stores do with the bottles that are returned?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A typical "stupid Herring " response. Shows complete ignorance. Herrings head is up his ass, AGAIN. |
Refining "Green" trash
Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:00:53 -0300, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:59:39 -0400, John H. wrote: You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming thing. They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in the bay. I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is "free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying. To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you somewhere. You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then the energy used to make the damn things could be saved. So you don't care if everything delivered in a bottle got a 5-10% price increase or that the price increase got spread out across the whole grocery store inventory? Even if the deposit was a one for one swap with no real cost (fantasy), there is still a handling charge on the empties. They stopped using deposit bottles for a reason., It is very expensive and uses almost fuel to return them as it does to deliver the product in the first place. If you simply burn the plastic bottles to produce electricity it is simply a one way fuel delivery charge with the use as a container as a bonus. Up here...ten cents deposit on every bottle, can or carton...including milk. If you haul them back to the recycle depot, you get a nickel for each bottle/carton. Most people don't bother and just put the empties out in a 'blue bag'. This had caused an army of characters to roam around all garbage night digging in those blue bags for their treasure. They carry half a dozen full leaf type bags on their 'borrowed' grocery store carts to cash in. This has been going on for years . What do the stores do with the bottles that are returned? They don't go back to the stores anymore. You have to take them to an official recycling depot. They are then put in hugh containers and shipped out to be melted down and the material re-used. Can you post a pic of a "hugh container", dummy? I've never heard of one here in the states. |
Refining "Green" trash
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:55:46 -0400, wrote:
Can you post a pic of a "hugh container", dummy? I've never heard of one here in the states. At first there was the Dempster Dumpster but now there are just dumpsters. Guy named Hugh came up with the idea of containerized shipping, but he is as forgotten as Dempster. Casady |
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