Refining "Green" trash
 

On Oct 14, 1:30*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:16:14 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:15 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I hope the fort is doing better than military bases usually do in
pollution control.

This fort has not been a military base since the war of northern
aggression.
Hey it is (Robert E) Lee County. *;-)

The waste to energy incinerator has been blessed by the
environmentalists as being as clean as the new gas powered plant.
(both a whole lot better than the bunker oil plant they displaced.)
The trash plant doesn't even contribute to the thermal water pollution
that makes the Caloosahatchee River a manatee hangout.

Speaking of recycling, the new "Dirty Jobs" episode (last week's) had
an interesting one on mattress recycling.

Among the interesting facts - almost all of the mattress and/or box
springs are 100% recyled into other stuff including the fabric.

Best fact of all - the overall weight of a mattress increases by about
10% over the years with the addition of such things as dead skin
cells, residue from various fluids and atmospheric dust.

Various fluids?

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:04:46 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:30:32 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

such things as dead skin cells,

I just know you want to hear this. ;-) It's not only mattresses, but 75%
of household dust, is dead skin cells.

COOL!!!

One of my old hunting buddies is a forensic scientist who studied
under Dr. Lee.

Some of the stuff they find in houses, bedrooms and stuff like that is
amazing.

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:22:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Oct 14, 1:30*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:16:14 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:15 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I hope the fort is doing better than military bases usually do in
pollution control.

This fort has not been a military base since the war of northern
aggression.
Hey it is (Robert E) Lee County. *;-)

The waste to energy incinerator has been blessed by the
environmentalists as being as clean as the new gas powered plant.
(both a whole lot better than the bunker oil plant they displaced.)
The trash plant doesn't even contribute to the thermal water pollution
that makes the Caloosahatchee River a manatee hangout.

Speaking of recycling, the new "Dirty Jobs" episode (last week's) had
an interesting one on mattress recycling.

Among the interesting facts - almost all of the mattress and/or box
springs are 100% recyled into other stuff including the fabric.

Best fact of all - the overall weight of a mattress increases by about
10% over the years with the addition of such things as dead skin
cells, residue from various fluids and atmospheric dust.

Various fluids?

He didn't ask and I don't want to know. :)

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Oct 14, 7:10*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:22:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Oct 14, 1:30*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:16:14 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:15 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too..
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I hope the fort is doing better than military bases usually do in
pollution control.

This fort has not been a military base since the war of northern
aggression.
Hey it is (Robert E) Lee County. *;-)

The waste to energy incinerator has been blessed by the
environmentalists as being as clean as the new gas powered plant.
(both a whole lot better than the bunker oil plant they displaced.)
The trash plant doesn't even contribute to the thermal water pollution
that makes the Caloosahatchee River a manatee hangout.

Speaking of recycling, the new "Dirty Jobs" episode (last week's) had
an interesting one on mattress recycling.

Among the interesting facts - almost all of the mattress and/or box
springs are 100% recyled into other stuff including the fabric.

Best fact of all - the overall weight of a mattress increases by about
10% over the years with the addition of such things as dead skin
cells, residue from various fluids and atmospheric dust.

Various fluids?

He didn't ask and I don't want to know. *:)

'r-r-rroger"

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:04:46 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:30:32 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:



such things as dead skin cells,

I just know you want to hear this. ;-) It's not only mattresses, but 75%
of household dust, is dead skin cells.



http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2008/09/01/
does_the_dust_in_my_house_really_include_my_own_s kin/

Some "science" ain't too good.
That piece of "science" is plain laughable.
The 75% part you mentioned. Couldn't get at the article.
Everything in a house is decomposing.
Anybody who ever found an unoccupied closed room all dusty knows
better than that.

--Vic

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:10:15 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My son sent me this. I think it would be an excellent way to help
eliminate land fills and pollution by efficiently turning crap into
"clean" carbon for various uses.

http://www.mantria.com/mantria_industries.shtml

click below the vid. I kept hitting the arrow on the screen and
nothing happened. then I clicked below it where it says "Click
here....."

Oh, never mind


Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I think the sale of water in plastic bottles should be outlawed. If
water must be sold, it should be done in glass and returned for a
deposit.

Why not just burn them in the waste to energy plant?

Do you know how much energy it takes to ship glass?
There is also the hazard broken glass poses in the whole retail to
recycle chain.
We got away from glass bottles for a reason.

OK, OK. Require a deposit for all plastic bottles. That way most will
get returned and recycled. Hopefully fewer will end up in the dump or
Chesapeake Bay.

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:30:32 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:16:14 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:15 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I hope the fort is doing better than military bases usually do in
pollution control.

This fort has not been a military base since the war of northern
aggression.
Hey it is (Robert E) Lee County. ;-)

The waste to energy incinerator has been blessed by the
environmentalists as being as clean as the new gas powered plant.
(both a whole lot better than the bunker oil plant they displaced.)
The trash plant doesn't even contribute to the thermal water pollution
that makes the Caloosahatchee River a manatee hangout.

Speaking of recycling, the new "Dirty Jobs" episode (last week's) had
an interesting one on mattress recycling.

Among the interesting facts - almost all of the mattress and/or box
springs are 100% recyled into other stuff including the fabric.

Best fact of all - the overall weight of a mattress increases by about
10% over the years with the addition of such things as dead skin
cells, residue from various fluids and atmospheric dust.

Don't forget dead bed bugs.

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:38:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:10:15 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My son sent me this. I think it would be an excellent way to help
eliminate land fills and pollution by efficiently turning crap into
"clean" carbon for various uses.

http://www.mantria.com/mantria_industries.shtml

click below the vid. I kept hitting the arrow on the screen and
nothing happened. then I clicked below it where it says "Click
here....."

Oh, never mind


Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I think the sale of water in plastic bottles should be outlawed. If
water must be sold, it should be done in glass and returned for a
deposit.

Why not just burn them in the waste to energy plant?

Do you know how much energy it takes to ship glass?
There is also the hazard broken glass poses in the whole retail to
recycle chain.
We got away from glass bottles for a reason.

OK, OK. Require a deposit for all plastic bottles. That way most will
get returned and recycled. Hopefully fewer will end up in the dump or
Chesapeake Bay.


You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the
dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ
unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming
thing.


They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores
would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer
empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in
the bay.

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:57:58 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:10 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:38:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:10:15 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My son sent me this. I think it would be an excellent way to help
eliminate land fills and pollution by efficiently turning crap into
"clean" carbon for various uses.

http://www.mantria.com/mantria_industries.shtml

click below the vid. I kept hitting the arrow on the screen and
nothing happened. then I clicked below it where it says "Click
here....."

Oh, never mind


Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too.
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I think the sale of water in plastic bottles should be outlawed. If
water must be sold, it should be done in glass and returned for a
deposit.

Why not just burn them in the waste to energy plant?

Do you know how much energy it takes to ship glass?
There is also the hazard broken glass poses in the whole retail to
recycle chain.
We got away from glass bottles for a reason.

OK, OK. Require a deposit for all plastic bottles. That way most will
get returned and recycled. Hopefully fewer will end up in the dump or
Chesapeake Bay.


You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the
dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ
unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming
thing.


They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores
would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer
empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in
the bay.

I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where
they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the
long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is
"free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of
product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying.

To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents
a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you
somewhere.

You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people
want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then
the energy used to make the damn things could be saved.

Refining "Green" trash
 

On Oct 15, 10:59*am, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:57:58 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:10 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:38:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:33:09 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:21 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:10:15 -0400, KotP-A
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:02:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My son sent me this. I think it would be an excellent way to help
eliminate land fills and pollution by efficiently turning crap into
"clean" carbon for various uses.

http://www.mantria.com/mantria_industries.shtml

click below the vid. I kept hitting the arrow on the screen and
nothing happened. then I clicked below it where it says "Click
here....."

Oh, never mind

Ft Myers is burning their trash for electricity. I think that is an
excellent use. It is certainly a reliable fuel source.
I think they should be burning the paper and plastic "recycle" too..
Nobody has even convinced me trucking this stuff 500-1500 miles was
good for the environment or economically viable.
My neighbor, VP of Raymond Lumber, thought it might be a valuable
marketing tool to be able to say those recycled bottles you throw in
the blue tubs come back as the Trex he sells and add some gee whiz
info about the process.. In that little quest for knowledge he found
out we were trucking the plastic to a plant in New York.
The paper was being processed in Georgia.

I think the sale of water in plastic bottles should be outlawed. If
water must be sold, it should be done in glass and returned for a
deposit.

Why not just burn them in the waste to energy plant?

Do you know how much energy it takes to ship glass?
There is also the hazard broken glass poses in the whole retail to
recycle chain.
We got away from glass bottles for a reason.

OK, OK. Require a deposit for all plastic bottles. That way most will
get returned and recycled. Hopefully fewer will end up in the dump or
Chesapeake Bay.

You missed the point, these things get burned here, not put in the
dump. Deposits are just a tax. It may be a handy way to employ
unskilled labor in a make work job but that is the only redeeming
thing.

They could be burnt after being returned to the store. The stores
would just be centralized collection points. I'll bet a lot fewer
empties would be in the ditches, on the golf courses, or floating in
the bay.

I suppose that might make a lot of sense if you live in a place where
they have a huge litter problem but I bet it would be cheaper in the
long run to pay people to pick up the trash. I know you think that is
"free" in a place with a deposit law but I would compare the cost of
product before the deposit is added and show you where you are paying.

To start with, most places where this happens pay the merchant 2 cents
a bottle or so, just for handling them. That money comes from you
somewhere.

You missed the point. The deposit should be steep enough that people
want to bring them back - or, better yet, not buy them at all. Then
the energy used to make the damn things could be saved.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

make it high enough and people will be importing them in from out of
state.