"Jack" wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 8:21 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
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http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k

There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response,

I would expect more from you than that. You knowthat by law he
couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and
Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and
in failing to ask for a federal response. Remember the picture of the
parked, flooded school buses? Then you had the media broadcasting
false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and
the truth there is clear. That was a failing of the state of
Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and
simple.


Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and
Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks?
Whatever. If you call that a success, I guess you'd call Bush protecting us
from bin laden a success.

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On Sep 29, 9:54*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message


There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response,

I would expect more from you than that. *You know that by law he
couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and
Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and
in failing to ask for a federal response. *Remember the picture of the
parked, flooded school buses? *Then you had the media broadcasting
false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and
the truth there is clear. *That was a failing of the state of
Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and
simple.

Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and
Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks?
Whatever.

"State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state
emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying
the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide
needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina.

Notably, federal troops are generally prohibited from directly
enforcing state laws (e.g., controlling looting or riots) by the Posse
Comitatus Act, with some exceptions. The President can assume command
of state troops under the Stafford Act, but in this "federalized", or
"Title 10" status, the federalized National Guard troops become unable
to enforce laws directly, just like other federal troops. However, the
Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to National Guard troops under the
command of a state governor.

Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush
administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of
law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to
the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco.

Governor Blanco did make a request to the Federal government for
additional National Guard troops (to be under her command) to
supplement the 5,700 Louisiana National Guard troops available in
Louisiana at the time. However, the necessary formal request through
the federal National Guard Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full
two days after the hurricane hit and when much of the city was already
under water; Blanco explained that she didn't understand specific
types and numbers of troops needed to be requested. By comparison, on
September 2, when Louisiana had only a few hundred National Guardsmen
from other states, Mississippi's National Guard reports having "almost
division strength (about 10,000 troops)" from other states' National
Guards. Blanco also failed to activate a compact with other states
that would have allowed her to bypass the National Guard Bureau in a
request for additional troops.

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility. Many of the problems that arose developed from
inadequate planning and back-up communications systems at various
levels. One example of this is that the City of New Orleans attempted
to manage the disaster from a hotel ballroom with inadequate back-up
communications plans instead of a properly staffed Emergency
Operations Center. When phone service failed, they had difficulty
communicating their specific needs to the state EOC in Baton Rouge.

Press reports indicate that there were other failures at the state and
local level in expediting aid and social services to the stricken
area. Referring again to the federalisation of the National Guard, New
Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal
rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she
needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we
could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died."

There were reports that Governor Blanco was reluctant to issue a
mandatory evacuation order until President Bush called to personally
ask that she give the order. However, the mandatory evacuation order
was issued by Mayor Nagin, and it is unlikely the Bush call was
decisive in the making of the order.[58] At the August 28 press
conference in which Nagin and Blanco ordered the evacuation of New
Orleans, Blanco actually said that Bush had called, "just before we
walked into this room" to share his concerns and urge that the city be
evacuated.[59]

Again:

"State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state
emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying
the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide
needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane
Katrina."

"Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush
administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of
law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to
the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco. "
*So much for sitting on his hands.*

"the necessary formal request through the federal National Guard
Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full two days after the
hurricane hit and when much of the city was already under water"

"New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal
rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she
needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we
could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It
didn't happen, and more people died." Heheh... Nagin even knows who
killed people... the Dim Governor... and he was complicit.

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

Plonk.

"Jack" wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 9:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
Plonk.


I doubt it.

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Nom=de=Plume

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.

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On Sep 30, 8:24*am, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. *In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.

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this went on for months. and no local govt can handle a hurricane.

wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.


Well, Blackwater had no problem deploying. They were first on the scene. Of
course, they didn't do much for the people in trouble, unless you count the
big companies' facilities they were protecting.

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On 9/30/09 1:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.


Well, Blackwater had no problem deploying. They were first on the scene. Of
course, they didn't do much for the people in trouble, unless you count the
big companies' facilities they were protecting.




Blackwater is a criminal enterprise.

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Idiots All

On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:



Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not.



Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

On Sep 30, 9:54*am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. *Nagel and Blanco did not.



Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. *They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. *Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. *Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. *The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

uh...no. as i said, for months this went on. trailers that had toxic
fumes...and the federal assistance they asked for was never
forthcoming. instead, 'brownie', the FEMA head, appeared on TV to tell
everyone everything was OK

and he's a republican.