President Pantywaist
 

On Sep 30, 8:24*am, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. *In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.

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this went on for months. and no local govt can handle a hurricane.

President Pantywaist
 

On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:



Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not.



Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

President Pantywaist
 

On Sep 30, 9:54*am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. *Nagel and Blanco did not.



Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. *They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. *Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. *Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. *The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

uh...no. as i said, for months this went on. trailers that had toxic
fumes...and the federal assistance they asked for was never
forthcoming. instead, 'brownie', the FEMA head, appeared on TV to tell
everyone everything was OK

and he's a republican.

President Pantywaist
 

Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote:



Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.
which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not.


Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.
fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those
people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were
those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black
government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety.
There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and
protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's
too late already.

President Pantywaist
 

On Sep 30, 11:03*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:54*am, Jack wrote:





On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. *Nagel and Blanco did not.

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.

fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. *They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. *Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. *Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. *The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

uh...no. as i said, for months this went on. trailers that had toxic
fumes...and the federal assistance they asked for was never
forthcoming. instead, 'brownie', the FEMA head, appeared on TV to tell
everyone everything was OK

and he's a republican.

FEMA has had issues for years. Under Clinton's watch:

"The Hurricane Floyd disaster was followed by what many judged to be a
very slow federal response. Fully three weeks after the storm hit,
Jesse Jackson complained to FEMA Director James Lee Witt on his CNN
program Both Sides Now, "It seemed there was preparation for Hurricane
Floyd, but then came Flood Floyd. Bridges are overwhelmed, levees are
overwhelmed, whole towns under water ... [it's] an awesome scene of
tragedy. So there's a great misery index in North Carolina." Witt
responded, "We're starting to move the camper trailers in. It's been
so wet it's been difficult to get things in there, but now it's going
to be moving very quickly. And I think you're going to see a—I think
the people there will see a big difference [within] this next
weekend!"

On TV telling everyone everything is gonna be OK...

President Pantywaist
 

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...
http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k


Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling
the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been
a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden
but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop
him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in
office.

His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney.
Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice
rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling
with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy
that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation.

There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of
the verbiage above would put you in that category.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

President Pantywaist
 

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during
Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks,

In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a
disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for
Oklahoma city.



We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't
protect us by his extensive vacation schedule.

More Christmas Goose material.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

President Pantywaist
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote:

Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.


fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal
government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local
governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural
disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments
to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels.
According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so
in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made
that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned
if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote.


Well, Blackwater had no problem deploying. They were first on the scene. Of
course, they didn't do much for the people in trouble, unless you count the
big companies' facilities they were protecting.

--
Nom=de=Plume

President Pantywaist
 

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote:



Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.

which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not.

Pray tell... for all those weeks and months after the hit?

--
Nom=de=Plume

President Pantywaist
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote:



Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response
Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government
responsibility.
which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the
US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush,
ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they
didn't take it seriously

No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for
assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not.


Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become
another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG.
fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster
like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait

Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely
manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as
it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do.

Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to
let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they
finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands.
Oh, and they are Demoncrats.

The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those
people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were
those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black
government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety.
There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and
protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's
too late already.


Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the
sports arena.

--
Nom=de=Plume