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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in office. His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney. Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sep 29, 8:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney.. Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation. -- the right wing loonies want obama to fix in 8 months what bush screwed up in 8 years |
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On Sep 29, 8:21*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Lu Powell" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, I would expect more from you than that. You knowthat by law he couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and in failing to ask for a federal response. Remember the picture of the parked, flooded school buses? Then you had the media broadcasting false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and the truth there is clear. That was a failing of the state of Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and simple. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Sep 29, 8:21 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, I would expect more from you than that. You knowthat by law he couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and in failing to ask for a federal response. Remember the picture of the parked, flooded school buses? Then you had the media broadcasting false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and the truth there is clear. That was a failing of the state of Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and simple. Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks? Whatever. If you call that a success, I guess you'd call Bush protecting us from bin laden a success. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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wrote in message
... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sep 29, 9:54*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, I would expect more from you than that. *You know that by law he couldn't do anything until asked, and the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of Louisiana both failed miserably in their own response and in failing to ask for a federal response. *Remember the picture of the parked, flooded school buses? *Then you had the media broadcasting false reports of what was happening that only came to light later, and the truth there is clear. *That was a failing of the state of Louisiana and its own ineffective, corrupt government, plain and simple. Reply: Yeah... good job Brownie.... sure. It was a total bungle by FEMA and Bush sat on his hands. Did the "false reports" include the levy breaks? Whatever. "State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Notably, federal troops are generally prohibited from directly enforcing state laws (e.g., controlling looting or riots) by the Posse Comitatus Act, with some exceptions. The President can assume command of state troops under the Stafford Act, but in this "federalized", or "Title 10" status, the federalized National Guard troops become unable to enforce laws directly, just like other federal troops. However, the Posse Comitatus Act does not apply to National Guard troops under the command of a state governor. Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco. Governor Blanco did make a request to the Federal government for additional National Guard troops (to be under her command) to supplement the 5,700 Louisiana National Guard troops available in Louisiana at the time. However, the necessary formal request through the federal National Guard Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full two days after the hurricane hit and when much of the city was already under water; Blanco explained that she didn't understand specific types and numbers of troops needed to be requested. By comparison, on September 2, when Louisiana had only a few hundred National Guardsmen from other states, Mississippi's National Guard reports having "almost division strength (about 10,000 troops)" from other states' National Guards. Blanco also failed to activate a compact with other states that would have allowed her to bypass the National Guard Bureau in a request for additional troops. Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. Many of the problems that arose developed from inadequate planning and back-up communications systems at various levels. One example of this is that the City of New Orleans attempted to manage the disaster from a hotel ballroom with inadequate back-up communications plans instead of a properly staffed Emergency Operations Center. When phone service failed, they had difficulty communicating their specific needs to the state EOC in Baton Rouge. Press reports indicate that there were other failures at the state and local level in expediting aid and social services to the stricken area. Referring again to the federalisation of the National Guard, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn't happen, and more people died." There were reports that Governor Blanco was reluctant to issue a mandatory evacuation order until President Bush called to personally ask that she give the order. However, the mandatory evacuation order was issued by Mayor Nagin, and it is unlikely the Bush call was decisive in the making of the order.[58] At the August 28 press conference in which Nagin and Blanco ordered the evacuation of New Orleans, Blanco actually said that Bush had called, "just before we walked into this room" to share his concerns and urge that the city be evacuated.[59] Again: "State of Louisiana officials, including Governor Blanco and state emergency management leaders, have been widely criticized for delaying the ability of the federal government and outside agencies to provide needed relief and necessary security in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina." "Shortly before midnight on Friday, September 2, the Bush administration sent Governor Blanco a request to take over command of law enforcement under the Insurrection Act (one of the exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act), but this request was rejected by Blanco. " *So much for sitting on his hands.* "the necessary formal request through the federal National Guard Bureau was not made until Wednesday, a full two days after the hurricane hit and when much of the city was already under water" "New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin accused the governor of delaying federal rescue efforts, "I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could have [...] told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn't happen, and more people died." Heheh... Nagin even knows who killed people... the Dim Governor... and he was complicit. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. Plonk. |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Sep 29, 9:54 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Plonk. I doubt it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote:
Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels. According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Sep 30, 8:24*am, wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels. According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so in an timely and sagacious manner. *In other words, a case can be made that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote. -- this went on for months. and no local govt can handle a hurricane. |
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On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. |
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On Sep 30, 9:54*am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. *Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. *They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. *Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. *Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. *The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. uh...no. as i said, for months this went on. trailers that had toxic fumes...and the federal assistance they asked for was never forthcoming. instead, 'brownie', the FEMA head, appeared on TV to tell everyone everything was OK and he's a republican. |
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Jack wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. |
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On Sep 30, 11:03*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:54*am, Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24*am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47*pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. *there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. *Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. *They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. *Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. *Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. *The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. uh...no. as i said, for months this went on. trailers that had toxic fumes...and the federal assistance they asked for was never forthcoming. instead, 'brownie', the FEMA head, appeared on TV to tell everyone everything was OK and he's a republican. FEMA has had issues for years. Under Clinton's watch: "The Hurricane Floyd disaster was followed by what many judged to be a very slow federal response. Fully three weeks after the storm hit, Jesse Jackson complained to FEMA Director James Lee Witt on his CNN program Both Sides Now, "It seemed there was preparation for Hurricane Floyd, but then came Flood Floyd. Bridges are overwhelmed, levees are overwhelmed, whole towns under water ... [it's] an awesome scene of tragedy. So there's a great misery index in North Carolina." Witt responded, "We're starting to move the camper trailers in. It's been so wet it's been difficult to get things in there, but now it's going to be moving very quickly. And I think you're going to see a—I think the people there will see a big difference [within] this next weekend!" On TV telling everyone everything is gonna be OK... |
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in office. His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney. Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation. There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of the verbiage above would put you in that category. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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wrote in message
... On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels. According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote. Well, Blackwater had no problem deploying. They were first on the scene. Of course, they didn't do much for the people in trouble, unless you count the big companies' facilities they were protecting. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Pray tell... for all those weeks and months after the hit? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the sports arena. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. You're denying he spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation? It's pretty well documented. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"JohnH" wrote in message
... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in office. His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney. Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation. There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of the verbiage above would put you in that category. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So, you have no rational response... got it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Sep 30, 12:31*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H John, it's shown itself to be nothing more than a liberal sock puppet, spouting lies straight out of the lemming playbook. Best to plonk the boatless shill. |
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On 9/30/09 1:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait I think the point was that since protocol dictated that the federal government, as Jack has presented it, was to defer to the local governments in taking the lead in managing in the face of a natural disaster, they did so, but encouraged the respective local governments to appeal for federal assistance through pre-defined channels. According to Jack's information, the local governments failed to do so in an timely and sagacious manner. In other words, a case can be made that for the Bush administration, it was damned if you do and damned if you don't - if you comprehended what Jack wrote. Well, Blackwater had no problem deploying. They were first on the scene. Of course, they didn't do much for the people in trouble, unless you count the big companies' facilities they were protecting. Blackwater is a criminal enterprise. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the sports arena. Calm down Tootsie. You're starting to make typos. Check the timeline of the days before K day and report back what preparations were made by state and local government. Could those busses have been used to transport the disadvantaged to a location a little safer and cleaner than the downtown sports arena. Did the democratic state and local administrations do anything to aid and comfort their people? If so, what? |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. You're denying he spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation? It's pretty well documented. You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Jim wrote:
You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. Sweet, one of the lowest levels of discourse I've seen on this forum. How do you rationalize this with your Christian beliefs? |
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Jim wrote: Sweet, one of the lowest levels of discourse I've seen on this forum. How do you rationalize this with your Christian beliefs? It was crass. I apologize to the group. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. You're denying he spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation? It's pretty well documented. You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. Ah ha! Flatulent Jims true self escaping. |
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... nom=de=plume wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the sports arena. Calm down Tootsie. You're starting to make typos. Check the timeline of the days before K day and report back what preparations were made by state and local government. Could those busses have been used to transport the disadvantaged to a location a little safer and cleaner than the downtown sports arena. Did the democratic state and local administrations do anything to aid and comfort their people? If so, what? Calm down Jimmy Bob. I'm probably smarter than you. I know you want to blame Democrats for everything, and Brownie had lots of experience with horse law, and Bush can ride a horse, but that sort of logic belongs in a comedy show and not in a logical argument. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... nom=de=plume wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. You're denying he spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation? It's pretty well documented. You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. That's all you've got left... vulgarity? Perhaps you or he are not man enough to deal with a woman? -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"thunder" wrote in message
t... On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Jim wrote: You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. Sweet, one of the lowest levels of discourse I've seen on this forum. How do you rationalize this with your Christian beliefs? I was just thinking that. I have a feeling that he's a Christian in name only. Jesus would never condone such a comment. I'm a Christian, and I would never say something like this to a political adversary or anyone else, and I would certainly never say it in such a cowardly way... mostly anonymously and in public. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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"Jim" wrote in message
... thunder wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Jim wrote: Sweet, one of the lowest levels of discourse I've seen on this forum. How do you rationalize this with your Christian beliefs? It was crass. I apologize to the group. Thanks. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 9/30/09 3:20 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the sports arena. Calm down Tootsie. You're starting to make typos. Check the timeline of the days before K day and report back what preparations were made by state and local government. Could those busses have been used to transport the disadvantaged to a location a little safer and cleaner than the downtown sports arena. Did the democratic state and local administrations do anything to aid and comfort their people? If so, what? Calm down Jimmy Bob. I'm probably smarter than you. I know you want to blame Democrats for everything, and Brownie had lots of experience with horse law, and Bush can ride a horse, but that sort of logic belongs in a comedy show and not in a logical argument. I have to hand it to you, m'lady...you've got the right-wingers here droolin'n'typin'. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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"Jack" wrote in message
... On Sep 30, 12:31 pm, JohnH wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H John, it's shown itself to be nothing more than a liberal sock puppet, spouting lies straight out of the lemming playbook. Best to plonk the boatless shill. "It" well, that's pretty typical of a low-life guy with very low self-esteem. I don't think you even have enough of that do actually plonk me. So far, you seem very concerned about what I have to say. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 9/30/09 3:21 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. You're denying he spent 3 years of his 8 on vacation? It's pretty well documented. You're putting words in his mouth. Perhaps he should put something of his in your mouth. That's all you've got left... vulgarity? Perhaps you or he are not man enough to deal with a woman? Floridajim is a well-known, self-admitted coward. He hides behind a keyboard. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... Jack wrote: On Sep 30, 7:24 am, wf3h wrote: On Sep 29, 11:47 pm, Jack wrote: Within the United States and as delineated in the National Response Plan, response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. which, of course, is a non sequitur. there's not a local govt in the US that could handle a disaster like katrina. the feds, under bush, ignored FEMA and appointed a horse lawyer to head the agency....they didn't take it seriously No local gov has to by themselves... they just have to ask for assistance from the feds. Nagel and Blanco did not. Any shine you may have had has quickly worn off... you've become another insincere, disingenuous non-boating liberal shill in this NG. fine. you let me know how your local govt would deal with a disaster like katrina. go ahead...we'll wait Reference Hugo... The SC gov asked for federal assistance in a timely manner, evacuated it's citizens before landfall, and was as ready as it could be. They did what they needed, and were supposed to do. Nagel and Blanco failed miserably in NO. Bush tried to get them to let feds take over, and they refused. Two days after landfall, they finally asked for federal assistance. The blood is on their hands. Oh, and they are Demoncrats. The National Weather Service tried to put the fear of god into those people a full 3 days in advance of that disaster. What in the world were those people thinking? They must have been waiting for the big black government limousines to come and pick them up and carry them to safety. There is a downside to demanding cradle to grave Government guidance and protection. I hope we learn that lesson before it's too late. Maybe it's too late already. Yeah, the poor had lots of way out. All of them by bus that too them to the sports arena. Calm down Tootsie. You're starting to make typos. Check the timeline of the days before K day and report back what preparations were made by state and local government. Could those busses have been used to transport the disadvantaged to a location a little safer and cleaner than the downtown sports arena. Did the democratic state and local administrations do anything to aid and comfort their people? If so, what? Calm down Jimmy Bob. I'm probably smarter than you. I know you want to blame Democrats for everything, and Brownie had lots of experience with horse law, and Bush can ride a horse, but that sort of logic belongs in a comedy show and not in a logical argument. You probably are smarter than me but you sure aren't using your head for anything useful. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:05:17 -0400, Jim wrote: Sweet, one of the lowest levels of discourse I've seen on this forum. How do you rationalize this with your Christian beliefs? It was crass. I apologize to the group. Thanks. To you too. |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:32:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... http://tinyurl.com/nwda4k Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, not to mention his bungling the Katrina response, which if it had been an actual attack would have been a worse one than 9/11, and not to mention that he was warned about bin laden but went on vacation instead of doing something. Of course, that didn't stop him from going on vacation for approximately three of his eight years in office. His administration was mostly composed of chicken hawks, including Cheney. Bush ignored Afganistan since 9/11, instead focusing on a war of choice rather than necessity. Thus, we have the mess that McChrystal is struggling with now. God forbid Obama should actually try and figure out a strategy that has a reasonable chance of stablizing the situation. There is an old saying having to do with a Christmas Goose. Much of the verbiage above would put you in that category. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. So, you have no rational response... got it. Your posts have degenerated to the same level as Harry's - tripe. Bye. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote: On Sep 30, 12:31*pm, JohnH wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:55:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:21:11 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Stupid article and inaccurate. There were certainly other attacks during Bush's presidency... e.g., the anthrax attacks, In all fairness you have to admit the anthrax was home grown, a disgruntled Ft Dietrick employee. That is like blaming Clinton for Oklahoma city. We didn't know that at the time and even if it was, he certainly didn't protect us by his extensive vacation schedule. More Christmas Goose material. -- John H John, it's shown itself to be nothing more than a liberal sock puppet, spouting lies straight out of the lemming playbook. Best to plonk the boatless shill. GMTA! Already done. -- John H All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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