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On 9/28/09 11:18 AM, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:49 am, H the wrote:

The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.

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to hear jack tell it, the rich are standing on street corners selling
apples after the middle class screwed them in the last year or so...

Jack Goff is an asshole. Thanks mainly to the greed of the rich, tens of
millions of Americans are suffering. It is a sick society that decides
that wealth is what is worth pursuing.

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On Sep 28, 11:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:49:00 -0400, H the K

The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.

You do Chuckie Schumer proud, Papa-san.
To take half a cookie from an unwilling school child to give to
another school child is to commit larceny. *To take half a citizen's
income to give to others is a civic duty. *How Orwellian.

and to take the same citizen's income and give it to the weatlhy in
the form of a 'bailout' is right wing.

how limbaughian...

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:42:03 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 28, 11:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:49:00 -0400, H the K

The maximum rate on income should be 49% *and* except for long term
capital gains/investments , and I mean long term, every dollar coming in
should be taxed at that rate while you are of working age.

You do Chuckie Schumer proud, Papa-san.
To take half a cookie from an unwilling school child to give to
another school child is to commit larceny. *To take half a citizen's
income to give to others is a civic duty. *How Orwellian.

and to take the same citizen's income and give it to the weatlhy in
the form of a 'bailout' is right wing.

how limbaughian...

Who are you debating? Private Dowding?

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On Sep 28, 11:16*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 9:35*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 9:29*pm, wf3h wrote:

the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

Capital gains is a tax on investments. *You *hope* you get to pay a
15% tax on a gain, because the alternative is that you lost some, or
all, of you initial investment. *Meanwhile, you're still paying 35% on
your income, which is what you used when you gambled on the
investment.

it's a tax on investment INCOME. you pay it when you SELL the
investment otherwise *you don't pay taxes on equities.

not too sharp at this are you?

I know exactly what capital gains are, when they're realized, and how
they're taxed. The term is self-defining, at least to most. You're
the one that started offering mis-information about them. I should
have known that I'd have to spell everything out, since you like to
twist everthing into something it's not. That's your MO.

So take a working professional making $500k a year, with $200k in
adjusted capital gains. *Since deductions have long been phased out at
this income level, we can apply some simple math and see this person
pays about $205k in taxes. *That's not enough? *Why do you want to
penalize people that worked hard and becaome successful?

?? gee you want to tax and penalize the middle class which works
hard...harder than the rich.

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. How could you know?

the hedgefund managers in your mind are worth more than firefighters,
nurses, police officers, etc. after all the hedgefund *manager made
$100M by gambling, and he only pays 15% tax rate. so in your mind, the
firefighter SHOULD pay a 28% rate because he's committed the sin of
'not being successful'

The hedgefund manager is a single exception, and that loophole needs
to be closed. However, while a significant portion of their salary
falls uinder the 15% rate, and that needs to be changed, another
portion is taxed at 35%, so your statement is misleading at best, and
an outright lie at worst.

Of course, the vast majority of the "rich" are not hedgefund managers,
have the vast majority of their earnings taxed at 35%, and work hard
for their money.

There are poor people who work hard, and there are poor people that
are worthless human beings. There are rich people that work hard, and
there are rich people that are worthless humans as well. The
difference is that I can see boths sides of the coin, while your
hatred only allows you to see one.

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.

that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

You're terribly confused. *The single income range for a 28% tax rate
is $78,851 – $164,550; married filing jointly is $131,451 –
$200,300... hardly "poor". *Your irrational hatred of successful
people is blinding you

ROFLMAO!!! that's a middle class income, as opposed to your view of
the rich who only pay 15%

That's right, it *is* a middle class income, so why did you write "the
poor work for a living and pay 28%"? That's a LIE.

of course you're kind of dumb so don't know the difference between
investments and investment INCOME...

You think the "poor" pay 28% income tax. News flash... the poor pay
little to NO income tax. Re-read your sentence above and tell us
about dumb. cya

Dedicated to Harry...

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39*pm, Jack wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. *How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

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On Sep 28, 2:57*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39*pm, Jack wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. *How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. *You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. * I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. * And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

I can understand using this type of argument if your position can't
stand on it's own merits.

But that begs the question: Why would you take a position that doesn't
stand on it's own merits? That's illogical.

Dedicated to Harry...

On Sep 28, 2:57*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39*pm, Jack wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. *How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. *You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. * I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. * And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

what's funny is that the idiots blame the middle class for getting
ripped off by the rich and wanting to do something about it!! they
have their little myths that say the rich always do the right thing
and the middle class should just pay up and shut up.

Dedicated to Harry...

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:08:25 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 2:57*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39*pm, Jack wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. *How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. *You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. * I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. * And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

I can understand using this type of argument if your position can't
stand on it's own merits.

But that begs the question: Why would you take a position that doesn't
stand on it's own merits? That's illogical.

Propaganda doesn't have to be logical. It just has to be effective.

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On 9/28/09 3:08 PM, Jack wrote:
On Sep 28, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 28, 12:49 pm, wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:39 pm, wrote:

I never said that, and you have no basis to say "rich" people don't
work hard. How could you know?

and you have no basis on which to say middle class people don't work
hard. how would you know?

Another thing I never said or wrote. You just keep on making it up as
you go, don't you?

It's called a "red herring" argument, an informal fallacy, and he uses
it consistently without scruple. I don't think progressives ever
really study these informal fallacies (or formal) that they are so
fond of using. And that's odd, because they use them so meticuously.

I can understand using this type of argument if your position can't
stand on it's own merits.

But that begs the question: Why would you take a position that doesn't
stand on it's own merits? That's illogical.

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Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All