Dedicated to Harry...
 

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone
get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our
nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of
debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren,
hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other
liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole
lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require
a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any
other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but
no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is
based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You
may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc; but
the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a
screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool
manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy..

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans
are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in
need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after
generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the
creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes ...

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be
nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in
public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If
you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if
the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you
rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be
surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where
you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of
leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to
have a job, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you
to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training
laid before you to make yourself useful. (AMEN!)

ARTICLE IX: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means
that you have the right to PURSUE happiness, which by the way, is a lot
easier if you are unencumbered by an over abundance of idiotic laws created
by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.

ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you are
from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you came
from! (Lastly....)

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or
heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And yet,
you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or no faith
at all; with no fear of persecution . The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is part of
our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On 9/27/09 10:13 AM, Lu Powell wrote:
You do not have the right


Oh, Lu-ser, put on your old cop suit and go roust some non-whites on the
north side of Jax...it'll be less strain on your peabrain than
regurgitating a bit of crap from a Mississippi loonytarian.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sep 27, 10:13*am, "Lu Powell" wrote:
NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION

"We the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone
get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our
nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of
debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great-grandchildren,
hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense
guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other
liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be self evident: that a whole
lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim they require
a Bill of NON-Rights."

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV, or any
other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but
no one is guaranteeing anything.

rewrite: if you're rich you don't have a right to stay rich or have
the middle class pay for it if you make a mistake


ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended

this includes christians who have to get used to seeing crucifixes in
jars of urine, or people who get offended if the president doesn't
wear a flag lapel pin


ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a
screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool
manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy..

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or
heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God.

and since it wasn't (tom paine being an atheist), atheism is the
official religion. christians will just have to suck it up

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:13:47 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you
are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you
came from! (Lastly....)

English is the native language of only 82% of Americans. There are many
places that are, in fact, bilingual. French is common in both Louisiana
and Maine. New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas, were all, at one time, part
of Mexico, as a result Spanish is common. And, let's not forget about
Hawaii. Many of it's population speak Hawaiian.

Nope, this country has never had an "official language", and with good
reason.




ARTICLE XI: You do not have the right to change our country's history or
heritage. This country was founded on the belief in one true God. And
yet, you are given the freedom to believe in any religion, any faith, or
no faith at all; with no fear of persecution . The phrase IN GOD WE
TRUST is part of our heritage and history, and if you are uncomfortable
with it, TOUGH!

IN GOD WE TRUST didn't become the official motto until 1957. Until that
time, E pluribus unum was the de facto motto.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:


and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sep 27, 11:32*am, thunder wrote:


IN GOD WE TRUST didn't become the official motto until 1957. *Until that
time, E pluribus unum was the de facto motto. *

but...but...you don't understand...this is RIGHT WING america we're
talking here! It doesn't matter what the FACTS are....what's important
is that we have a national myth that ensures the powerful and rich
stay that way...

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor, which is typical of
the loony lefties. They play the race card, try to incite class warfare, and
in general display what big assholes they really are.

Will Rogers never met Harry et al.


--
The real tea party is on November 2, 2010.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:



and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry. the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

sorry, sport, you need to get some facts instead of inventing right
wing myths

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On 9/27/09 12:41 PM, Lu Powell wrote:

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor, which is typical
of the loony lefties. They play the race card, try to incite class
warfare, and in general display what big assholes they really are.

Will Rogers never met Harry et al.


--
The real tea party is on November 2, 2010.




I have a sense of humor. I think you are hysterically stupid.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:30:38 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I don't think queer folk would appreciate you calling them funny.
--

John H

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense of
humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that Harry et
al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree with is met with
scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense of
humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that Harry
et al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree with is met
with scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.



And now, I'm leaving the forum for another while. The bigoted bile of Harry
and his bung-hole buddies is too much. Gone boating and fishing.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On 9/27/09 2:00 PM, Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense
of humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that
Harry et al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree
with is met with scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.




Not true. I find what *you* think humorous pathetic, old, racially
tinged, and usually aimed at junior high schoolers.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 9/27/09 2:00 PM, Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense
of humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that
Harry et al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree
with is met with scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.




Not true. I find what *you* think humorous pathetic, old, racially tinged,
and usually aimed at junior high schoolers.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

I rest my case.

--
The real tea party is November 2, 2010

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On 9/27/09 2:29 PM, Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 9/27/09 2:00 PM, Lu Powell wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense
of humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that
Harry et al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree
with is met with scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.




Not true. I find what *you* think humorous pathetic, old, racially
tinged, and usually aimed at junior high schoolers.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

I rest my case.

--
The real tea party is November 2, 2010




You've presented nothing to back up your allegation that lefites have no
sense of humor. I simply don't find your old jokes, stories and juvenile
attempts at humor funny. I also find your attempts to "discuss issues"
not worth discussing.






--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"wf3h" wrote in message
...

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

I think you just gave away that you are not rich at all. Not even close.

Don't get sucked into Obama's BS about "taxing the rich". Governments idea
of rich is that you have a job, or a boat, or a canoe. Or just a fishing
tackle box. Government is hungry for excuses to jump taxes. Ditto health
care, government wants to skim it.

You don't think Obama doesn't enyoy overspending $1.3T in debt spend? But
he an the civil servants know they need revenue and can't continue the
debt-corruption-spend. You are being managed by the people you want your
financial liberty in their pockets, not yours.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

John H

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wf3h wrote:


and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?
---
Agrred, lib-dims feel they are exempt:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354846,00.html

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/...ple-pay-taxes/

Scary thought.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:13:47 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you
are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you
came from! (Lastly....)

English is the native language of only 82% of Americans. There are many
places that are, in fact, bilingual. French is common in both Louisiana
and Maine. New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas, were all, at one time, part
of Mexico, as a result Spanish is common. And, let's not forget about
Hawaii. Many of it's population speak Hawaiian.

Nope, this country has never had an "official language", and with good
reason.

You should tell that to the people who wrote the consitution. I wonder why
they didn't use french, spanish, mandarin etc.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job.

I believe it's the case in the parallel world of progressivism that
it's the citizen's obligation and "duty" to pay taxes, and it's the
government's task to provide the jobs, health care, transportation,
social indoctrination, and the general security of the individual. I
think the charter that stands as the document that defines those
rights and obligations of government in that bizarro world is called
the "Manifesto." It's the evil alter-document to the Constitution.

--
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Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.

--
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wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example, between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Dedicated to Harry...
 

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job.

I believe it's the case in the parallel world of progressivism that
it's the citizen's obligation and "duty" to pay taxes, and it's the
government's task to provide the jobs, health care, transportation,
social indoctrination, and the general security of the individual. I
think the charter that stands as the document that defines those
rights and obligations of government in that bizarro world is called
the "Manifesto." It's the evil alter-document to the Constitution.


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the US,
the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the European
scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into groups on the
polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in their politics. If
you want to get elected in this country to a national position, you mostly
have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of political life.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:04:55 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the
US, the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the
European scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into
groups on the polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in
their politics. If you want to get elected in this country to a national
position, you mostly have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of
political life.

That's pretty much the nature of a two party system. The battle is
almost always for the middle.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sep 27, 1:05*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry.

Yes they do, sorry.

the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. Ooops.

sorry, sport, you need to get some facts instead of inventing right
wing myths

How about those Demoncrats that pay *NO* taxes? Is that OK with you?

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example, between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:00:43 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense of
humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that Harry et
al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree with is met with
scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.

All the Catskill humor you claim to adore comes from Jewish comedians
who are notoriously left of center.

Do you find this funny ha-ha or funny queer. I think it's a queer
sort of funny that you haven't figured this out...

Not surprising tho'.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
.. .

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


--
Nom=de=Plume

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:04:55 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the
US, the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the
European scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into
groups on the polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in
their politics. If you want to get elected in this country to a national
position, you mostly have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of
political life.

That's pretty much the nature of a two party system. The battle is
almost always for the middle.


That's been my battle since I was 20. lol

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.

You have twisted that.

Good government fosters a good environment for people to excel, and that
includes the ability to earn and retain the majority of their income.

Good government does not tax hard working successful people to bailout
corrupt and dysfunctional private companies like GM and the banks. Nor do
good governments rack up debt and print/create money so fast no one even
knows what it will do to the economy, other than the results will not be
good.

Japan tried it, recovery took over 10 years. Reagan took less from the
middle class and recovery began in a year. Go figure.

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
. ..

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?

National defense is good, but why not talk of banks and corporations like GM
that now cost taxpayers thousands in future debt! Why not talk about the
billions going to Afganistan, a war the politicians don't have the balls to
win.

Why not talk about the government waste. Pork spending? Corruption?
Massive government debt for stuff people will never see the benefit of?

Its an Lib-Dim Obamanation....

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On Sep 27, 6:36*pm, Jack wrote:
On Sep 27, 1:05*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry.

Yes they do, sorry.

*the rich make their money on capital gains. and

the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. *Ooops.

that's because the poor work for a living and pay 28%.

oh. you just ignore what the middle class pays because only the rich
are important.


sorry, sport, you need to get some facts instead of inventing right
wing myths

How about those Demoncrats that pay *NO* taxes? *Is that OK with you?

and the GOP has it structured so they pay no taxes anyhow, relying on
the middle class to bail 'em out. after all, that's how they maintain
their success

then they get folks like you to tell us how lucky we are to support
the rich

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On Sep 27, 4:35*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Sep 27, 11:29 am, wf3h wrote:



and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

jesus...another bag of hammers

the tax rate on capital gains is 15%.

but you don't know that 'cuz rush keeps telling you how much he pays
in taxes

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On Sep 27, 4:24*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message

...

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

I think you just gave away that you are not rich at all. *Not even close.

that's right. i work for a living


Don't get sucked into Obama's BS about "taxing the rich". *Governments idea
of rich is that you have a job, or a boat, or a canoe. *Or just a fishing
tackle box. *Government is hungry for excuses to jump taxes. *Ditto health
care, government wants to skim it.

more tin foil hat delusions from the 'rush is right' crowd. rush is a
multimillionaire faking populist and relies on sock puppets like this
to defend his lifestyle...when he's not in rehab for drug addiction


You don't think Obama doesn't enyoy overspending $1.3T in debt spend?

which was planned by bernanke and bush

oh. you forgot that too.

you guys really are dumb, aren't you? you have your little radio
shows, your conspiracy and your shortwave programs selling vitamins
and guns

and that's all you need.

Dedicated to Harry...
 

On 9/27/09 9:32 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 4:24 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

...

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

I think you just gave away that you are not rich at all. Not even close.

that's right. i work for a living


Don't get sucked into Obama's BS about "taxing the rich". Governments idea
of rich is that you have a job, or a boat, or a canoe. Or just a fishing
tackle box. Government is hungry for excuses to jump taxes. Ditto health
care, government wants to skim it.

more tin foil hat delusions from the 'rush is right' crowd. rush is a
multimillionaire faking populist and relies on sock puppets like this
to defend his lifestyle...when he's not in rehab for drug addiction


You don't think Obama doesn't enyoy overspending $1.3T in debt spend?

which was planned by bernanke and bush

oh. you forgot that too.

you guys really are dumb, aren't you? you have your little radio
shows, your conspiracy and your shortwave programs selling vitamins
and guns

and that's all you need.



What I find funny is that the right-wing dirtbags here keep using me as
the subject of their uncontrollable drooling, as in this thread and
several others currently running.

Poor dumb rightwing dirtbags.

--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
om...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
. ..

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


--
Nom=de=Plume

~ Snerk ~
Johnny made a career of getting big pay & benefits from Uncle Sam for
minimal output.
He's doing the same now for no output.

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On 9/27/09 9:39 PM, Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600,
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600,
wrote:


"Lu wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right
and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to
take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of
yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into
too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of
lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example,
between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H


So, no national defense is ok with you? We don't need anything gov't
provides? Why do we have it then?


--
Nom=de=Plume

~ Snerk ~
Johnny made a career of getting big pay& benefits from Uncle Sam for
minimal output.
He's doing the same now for no output.



Don't forget that until recently he took money from one or more of the
counties of northern Virginia to pretend to be a substitute teacher and
while he was doing that he made a number of racial remarks about his
students and their families.





--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All