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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:13:47 -0400, Lu Powell wrote:


ARTICLE X: This is an English speaking country. We don't care where you
are from, English is our language. Learn it or go back to wherever you
came from! (Lastly....)

English is the native language of only 82% of Americans. There are many
places that are, in fact, bilingual. French is common in both Louisiana
and Maine. New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas, were all, at one time, part
of Mexico, as a result Spanish is common. And, let's not forget about
Hawaii. Many of it's population speak Hawaiian.

Nope, this country has never had an "official language", and with good
reason.

You should tell that to the people who wrote the consitution. I wonder why
they didn't use french, spanish, mandarin etc.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job.

I believe it's the case in the parallel world of progressivism that
it's the citizen's obligation and "duty" to pay taxes, and it's the
government's task to provide the jobs, health care, transportation,
social indoctrination, and the general security of the individual. I
think the charter that stands as the document that defines those
rights and obligations of government in that bizarro world is called
the "Manifesto." It's the evil alter-document to the Constitution.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example, between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job.

I believe it's the case in the parallel world of progressivism that
it's the citizen's obligation and "duty" to pay taxes, and it's the
government's task to provide the jobs, health care, transportation,
social indoctrination, and the general security of the individual. I
think the charter that stands as the document that defines those
rights and obligations of government in that bizarro world is called
the "Manifesto." It's the evil alter-document to the Constitution.


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the US,
the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the European
scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into groups on the
polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in their politics. If
you want to get elected in this country to a national position, you mostly
have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of political life.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:04:55 -0700, nom=de=plume wrote:


I think you're talking about a rather extreme perspective. Certainly,
extreme perspectives exist on both ends of the political scale. In the
US, the mainstream political scale is quite narrow compared to the
European scale. We tend to forget this and try to lump people into
groups on the polar opposites. Most people are middle of the road in
their politics. If you want to get elected in this country to a national
position, you mostly have to appeal to the middle. That's a fact of
political life.

That's pretty much the nature of a two party system. The battle is
almost always for the middle.

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On Sep 27, 1:05*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:48*am, Jack wrote:

On Sep 27, 11:29*am, wf3h wrote:

and you don't have a right to a tax rate of 15% if you're rich. if
you're rich you pay the same rate as the middle class

Another liberal fable. *The rich pay a 35% tax rate on income. *It's
the rich Demoncrats in DC that pay *no* taxes, as we've all seen over
the last few months, eh?

no, they don't. sorry.

Yes they do, sorry.

the rich make their money on capital gains. and
the capital gains tax is 15%, minus deductions for losses.

The rate for Long Term Capital gains is 15% for the "rich", and 0% for
the poor. Ooops.

sorry, sport, you need to get some facts instead of inventing right
wing myths

How about those Demoncrats that pay *NO* taxes? Is that OK with you?

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:00:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:01:51 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:15:11 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
...

First, most excellent post. But one I might change.

ARTICLE VIII: You do not have the right to a job, you have the right and
obligation to look for a job. You do not have the right to be a
paracite.
We will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take
advantage of the opportunities of education and betterment of yourself
while
not whining and making excuses for your deficiencies at every turn.


I'd guess that gives folks the right to take responsibility for their
person.
--

Sometimes makes me wonder why people are so quick to let the government
control their lives. Too bad we couldn't segregate the country into too
parts and the pro-government statism types get to pay for government
managing their lives while leaving the other part to their liberty and
fiscal freedoms.

But that repect for others rights doesn't exist in the hearts of lib-dims.


Individual liberties are an impediment to good government.


True to some extent. There always has to be a balance, for example, between
security and individuals' freedom or between exploitive capitalism and
social responsibility. There also needs to be a balance between a nanny
state and individual responsibility. But, truly good government is not an
impediment to individual liberties.

That last sentence is true only if the 'truly good government' doesn't
tax. Once it takes your money, you've lost the freedom to spend it as
you wish.
--

John H

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:00:43 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:41:26 -0400, "Lu Powell"
wrote:


"Lu Powell" wrote in message
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NEW PREAMBLE TO THE CONSTITUTION


Snipped for the hell of it.

I see that Harry, et al still have no sense of humor,

There's nothing funny about what you posted unless by funny you mean
queer.

I didn't say the post was funny. I said the loony lefties have no sense of
humor, which is a true statement. The point to to be made was that Harry et
al have such frozen mindsets that anything they don't agree with is met with
scorn.

Healthy discussions of issues are not a part of their humorless world.

All the Catskill humor you claim to adore comes from Jewish comedians
who are notoriously left of center.

Do you find this funny ha-ha or funny queer. I think it's a queer
sort of funny that you haven't figured this out...

Not surprising tho'.