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On Sep 27, 11:17*pm, Bama Brian wrote:
wf3h wrote: There are NO unionized semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley. *Or elsewhere, for that matter, AFAIK. gee. it's too bad you don't know the industry. ever hear of IBM? oh. you *haven't. but you're an authority on the industry And you're a damned fool. *Never insult a man unless you're sure you will survive the insult. *It's why manners were invented. I've heard of IBM. *I used to work for NEC in the Silicon Valley wafer fab facility and backend manufacturing. *Also worked for National Semiconductor, yes, i've been there. i installed some of the wet cleaning benches used for cleaning devices. Signetics/Phillips was also at philips in san antonio... , Fujitsu, and a few others. *They helped me retire early. *Just for brags, here are a few jobs I worked at various companies: *engineer, engineering manager, field applications engineer, field applications manager, development tools manager, business planning manager, director of marketing. In fact, I could say you're not even qualified to evaluate my resume. again, you know zip about the industry, it seems Now let's look at a partial list of who actually had unionized semiconductor plants in Silicon Valley: Intel - No. National Semiconductor - No. NEC - No. *(second plant was in Roseville, CA) Hitachi - No. Fujitsu - No. (plant was in OR) Cypress - No. AMD - No. Micron - No. (actually in Boise, ID) In fact, the unions never got so much as a toehold in Silicon Valley. exactly my point. those who claim unions destroyed these companies are wrong. even you admit that by pointing out the companies that have closed...NONE of which were unionized As to their two chip plants, only the one in Fishkill has been renovated to be commercially viable. *The other stays alive doing God knows what. * Certainly they won't tell me, and I'm not inclined to do a white paper for you for free. don't flatter yourself Most, if not all, semi plants today survive by manufacturing for others as well as the parent company. *Look up Globalfoundries and Taiwan Semiconductor for examples. charter was j ust purchased last week. yes, i'm familiar with the foundries. you seem surprised by teh economics of the industry...NONE of which is union related. i used to work for TI...they laid off their harvard/caltech/mit researchers and outsourced R and D to TSMC... oh. you don't know that 'cuz you still think everything's OK with the industry... agreed. and since there were no unionized plants there, ever, and there are few plants there today, unions had zip to do with the death of the industry in the US Ask IBM why it could not sustain profitability with its major product lines, and why it had to close plants world-wide. But the industry is not dead; even if the plants are mostly all offshore today it's certainly dead in the US. |
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