Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. American citizens deserve democracy, like
the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan. Best to start in America, first,
where a huge death toll has been achieved by the criminal actions of
the American Canoe Association, that forces deadly (but profitable)
fraudulent instruction on innocent American men, women and children,
who are then blamed for their own agonizing deaths. The Health
Insurance Scheme, like the canoe and kayak scam, has also killed
thousands of innocent Americans for profit. It was better once in
America:

"" In this book I would like to emphasize rescue techniques other than
the Eskimo roll because a backup technique is mandatory...given that
relatively few sea kayakers will ever roll successfully and because
workable alternative techniques are too often neglected...The great
advantage of the Sea Wing (sponsons) is that it leaves the paddler in
a more stable position than before the capsize." (John Dowd, Sea
Kayaking, 3rd edition, 1997, pp.90-95)

"So few sea kayakers are able to perform the roll...most people fall
out of the boat." Kayak Touring '98 (p.48) Assisted rescues risk
kayaks slamming against one another, while holding onto slippery
kayaks, resulting in serious injury. The assisted rescue then leaves
the rescued victim in exactly the same capsizing conditions, with no
protection against another capsize, (that can be provided by
sponsons).

"A capsized paddler who Eskimo rolls is still in the same conditions
that capsized him or her in the first place, and with each roll he or
she will take on more water, lessening the kayak's stability." Matt
Broze, Deep Trouble, p.91

"The Paddlefloat is not really a rough water rescue. During trials I
found the SEA WING (sponsons) ... very comforting. I paddled out to
sea in rough, windy conditions...I was able to sit on my rear deck-not
something I would normally do at sea...The rescue potential is
obvious." (Derek Hutchinson, The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking, pp.
104-111)

"I thought these were a better idea, and have turned my old paddle
float bag into a camera case." (Dave Harrison, Editor in Chief, Canoe
and Kayak Magazine, July 1993.)

"However Reimer was an experienced sea kayaker...His Eskimo roll was
not strong, so there was only his paddlefloat." He was unable to get
back in, like most experienced paddlers.
"Hanging onto his upside-down boat, he lifted his paddle over his
head. In spite of the rough seas, he waved it back and forth..." (Sea
Kayaker, June, '01, p.54). Paddlefloats have killed hundreds of
experienced and fit paddlers.

"It's simple, sponsons work, the paddlefloat doesn't." Nigel Foster,
Coach, British Canoe Union

"Worked well in heavy winds off Welsh Coast." J.J. Ramwell, Sea
Touring

"Sponsons Deliver Safety", Wavelength, Jan/Feb. 1993, p.5

"A Major Development in Kayak Safety", Anorak, Spring 1993, p.7

"Sea Wings are simply the best and easiest-to-use self-rescue device
on the market today." Seakayaker, Winter 1993, p.34

"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat." Invitational Military
Kayak Paddle 1994 Evaluation

Without sponsons, logically, there can be no kayak or canoe safety:
The American Canoe Association and others have killed hundreds of
kayakers using sprayskirts, knowing that kayaks are impossible to pump
out through a sprayskirt, even in small waves. You need hands for the
paddle, pump and sprayskirt, but you still can't seal the sprayskirt,
so water comes back in. This has been openly acknowledged: "...It has
two fairly serious shortcomings: You can't seal the sprayskirt, and
you can't keep both hands on the paddle while pumping." (Sea Kayaker
Magazine, February 2003, p.29) "The most effective way of using a
handheld bilge pump in rough seas is to lift the bottom of your PFD up
and shove the pump down between the spray skirt and your belly. This
way is slow and awkward, but you can pump with the spray skirt
completely sealed. Practice it." (p.27, Sea Kayaker Magazine, June
2006.) Matt Broze, "Pumping Out after Paddle Float Rescue",
Paddlewise, Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:36:43 -0700: "...obviously there are
going to be certain combinations of clothing and spraydecks that don't
allow a pump down the front. Please try it and report back (if you
don't knock yourself out and drown after hitting your chin)." The idea
to shove the pump down the top of the sprayskirt requires unfastening
the PFD, since the tops of sprayskirts normally extend some distance
underneath the PFD. "

from http://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim Ingram

On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:
Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

IMHO YES!!!

That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD
in the world!!

John Kuthe...

On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

Dear Dave:

Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those
citizens who may endanger try to save you. Also of course you endanger
innocent children who may not understand how stupid you are, refusing
sponsons and eating at McDonalds both. Your attitude is why the GOP is
high comedy and America is the laughingstock of the world. Sadly,
innocent Americans are the main victims of their own country that
insists on gluttinous stupidity for a general operating modus.
Americans deserve both democracy and an education, like anyone else.
Most Americans are decent and intelligent people and understand
exactly what I am talking about at http://www.sponsonguy.com

Tim

On Sep 22, 5:56*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 7:45*pm, John Kuthe wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:52*pm, Davej wrote:

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

IMHO YES!!!

That and the fact that McCraps is the prototype purveyor of BAD FOOD
in the world!!


Of course Mcdonalds does not deliberately murder Americans, they are
merely collateral damage to fast food profits. Not pretty, even in
France where there is a cuisine. The American Canoe Association
deliberately makes canoes and kayaks as dangerous as possible to sell
fraudulent rescue instruction that does not work for anyone, including
any judge and jury. In fact these rescues are designed to capsize any
rescuing canoes and kayaks since they have no stability without
sponsons, increasing death tolls and demand for more fraudulent
instruction! Any Washington lobby group would be proud of this scam,
even Wall Street. [...]


No, the ACA does not manufacture canoes or kayaks.

On Sep 21, 5:26*am, TimIngram wrote:
On Sep 20, 3:52*pm, Davej wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:55*am, TimIngram wrote:

Sponsons are the only means to stabilize flooded or unflooded canoes
and kayaks so victims can get out of deadly water in 5 seconds, stay
out, and paddle to safety. [...]

I've heard your spew and I'm not installing them on my boats, not now
or ever, and if I die in the water it isn't murder.

Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans. Is Ronald
McDonald a criminal and murderer?

Dear Dave:

Your suicide in a canoe and kayak is unlawful since you endanger those
citizens who may endanger try to save you. [...]

When I have a heart attack and flip my car over while driving to the
river your silly sponsons are not going to save me.

On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:
[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

On Sep 24, 8:42*am, Davej wrote:
On Sep 24, 5:27*am, TimIngram wrote:

[...]
The ACA has deliberately made canoes and kayaks as dangerous
as possible,

The ACA does not manufacture canoes, kayaks, or any related gear.

designing "rescues" that capsize rescuing canoes and
kayaks for an even higher death toll, to create demand for even more
expensive and deadly "rescues" that no judge or jury in America can
make work.

And there is no agency in the entire world that teaches anything
different.

[...] Hundreds of these deaths, among over 1,500 dead Americans
since 1993

And you have zero evidence that any of these people would have
purchased your flawed and impractical product. They didn't purchase
wetsuits. They didn't purchase drysuits. The ACA CLEARLY RECOMMENDS
DRESSING FOR THE WATER TEMPERATURE.

1500 deaths since 1993? That's about 95 deaths per year? Over 40,000
people are killed in automobiles EVERY year. That's better than a
400:1 ratio. Why don't you petition for a national speed limit of 20
MPH?

Because that would not further Mr "Sponson Boy, RBP's sick puppy"
Ingram's business venture!

John Kuthe...

Davej wrote:
snip

Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use
talking to a deranged individual.

A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but
all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is
unreasonable.

He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email
has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he
starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to
notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of
his drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf
all over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on!

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

"Wilko" wrote in message
...
Davej wrote:
snip

Dave, if you have read all of that, you should know that it's no use
talking to a deranged individual.

A lot of RBP'ers have tried reasoning with this lunatic in the past, but
all failed, simply because you can't reason with someone who is
unreasonable.

He has been kicked out by some of his internet providers, and his email
has been mailbombed (thanks John :-) ), but every couple of years he
starts his rants here once more. Luckily there is hardly anyone left to
notice, but responding to his posts invariably results in even more of his
drivel being spewed. Don't feed the sick puppy, because he will barf all
over you (and everyone else on RBP). Please ignore him from now on!

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

Not to mention which, someone who wanted sponsons could easily make them,
and a lot of canoes designed for fishing come with what amounts to the same
thing. I know any number of people who have them (and, irony of ironies,
the one person I know personally who drowned while fishing was using a canoe
that had sort of a outrigger/sponson dealy he could use, but he didn't
attach it - though he probably had a heart attack and drowned, rather than
falling out and drowning.)

Ingram seems to think that the whole human race is too appallingly stupid to
figure out that if you want floaty things, you're entitled to attach them to
your boat - or to yourself (floatation devices - what a concept!).

As the canoeists little book of wisdom (or paddler's, I forget which),
says - "Always wear brightly colored flotation devices while paddling frigid
artic waters - it makes it *so* much easier to retrieve the bodies".

Sponsons are and always have been available to anyone who wants to
make/buy/attach them. Be happy - do we want to think of what the man would
fixate on if this particular crusade came to fruition?

Cricket