On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:59:31 +0000, Dionysus Feldman wrote:

Our lab has had a tough time getting in and out of our boat. Part of
this is due to a high dock -- or low water, depending on your
perspective. The critical thing is getting out of the water


Make sure you have fire extinguishers handy before doing any experiments,
and be aware that the police can find labs in a boat as easily as...oh, a
DOG....sorry, nevermind...

Lloyd

"noah" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:54:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

From what I've heard from 3 Lab owners, hip problems are as common with
them
as glove compartments are in cars. True?

Hi Doug.

From my experience, many of the larger breeds are prone to
hip-dysplasia, Labs and Sheps being the most notable. I'm no dog
expert, just relaying personal experience.

Then again, I have known a few labs that were healthy, and hunted,
well into their old-age. If you're interested in a dog, check out
its' lineage carefully for hip problems.

Good luck,
noah

Not interested...just wondering. My neighbor has a lab. A month after he
told me she had a hip problem, he went car shopping and bought a pickup
truck that even HE has trouble getting into. No need for the truck...but all
the guys at the fire house have them.

noah wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:54:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

From what I've heard from 3 Lab owners, hip problems are as common with them
as glove compartments are in cars. True?

From my experience, many of the larger breeds are prone to
hip-dysplasia, Labs and Sheps being the most notable. I'm no dog
expert, just relaying personal experience.

Then again, I have known a few labs that were healthy, and hunted,
well into their old-age. If you're interested in a dog, check out
its' lineage carefully for hip problems.

Based on AKC registrations, the Lab is the most popular dog (154,616
registered in 2002) in the US. Second place is the Golden (56,124).
These are huge numbers compared to most other breeds.

Numbers like that lead to sloppy breeding. You offer good advice
about checking lineage. For problems like hip dysplasia, you can't
really tell if a puppy has a problem, even with xrays. You need to
look the parents and grandparents. Respectable breeders will have
there breeding dogs evaluated and graded by the Orthopedic Foundation
for Animals (OFA). You're rollng the dice if you are not seeing OFA
good or excellent. You should also research the breeder's standing
with the local or national breed organizations - make sure you are not
buying from a puppy mill.

AMEN!!!!!!

Curtis CCF--
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Numbers like that lead to sloppy breeding. You offer good advice
about checking lineage. For problems like hip dysplasia, you can't
really tell if a puppy has a problem, even with xrays. You need to
look the parents and grandparents. Respectable breeders will have
there breeding dogs evaluated and graded by the Orthopedic Foundation
for Animals (OFA). You're rollng the dice if you are not seeing OFA
good or excellent. You should also research the breeder's standing
with the local or national breed organizations - make sure you are not
buying from a puppy mill.

df--

Done, done and done.

Now... how do we get her on the boat?

(Actually, she's getting on the boat well. One step, then to the bow,
then in the bow hatch, through the cabin to the stern where she takes up
all the room with her wiggly body waiting for everyone else to load up).

The problem now is getting her off, and in/out of the water. It looks
like she'll be OK with some practice.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:26:40 -0400,
(Dionysus Feldman) wrote:

Curtis CCF--
...
Numbers like that lead to sloppy breeding. You offer good advice
about checking lineage. For problems like hip dysplasia, you can't
really tell if a puppy has a problem, even with xrays. You need to
look the parents and grandparents. Respectable breeders will have
there breeding dogs evaluated and graded by the Orthopedic Foundation
for Animals (OFA). You're rollng the dice if you are not seeing OFA
good or excellent. You should also research the breeder's standing
with the local or national breed organizations - make sure you are not
buying from a puppy mill.

df--

Done, done and done.

Now... how do we get her on the boat?

(Actually, she's getting on the boat well. One step, then to the bow,
then in the bow hatch, through the cabin to the stern where she takes up
all the room with her wiggly body waiting for everyone else to load up).

The problem now is getting her off, and in/out of the water. It looks
like she'll be OK with some practice.

DF- I don't know your particular boat or docking setup, or *your*
physical abilities. Have you thought about a harness arrangement, so
that you can grab the harness "backbone" and assist your pooch? There
are flotation suits available for "hunting dogs" (not a bad idea,
really. A PFD for your pooch) that have "grab handles" on the back to
assist the dog. ...just a thought. Check cabelas.com or other
outdoor outfitters.

Regards,
noah

"noah" wrote in message
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DF- I don't know your particular boat or docking setup, or *your*
physical abilities. Have you thought about a harness arrangement, so
that you can grab the harness "backbone" and assist your pooch? There
are flotation suits available for "hunting dogs" (not a bad idea,
really. A PFD for your pooch) that have "grab handles" on the back to
assist the dog. ...just a thought. Check cabelas.com or other
outdoor outfitters.

Regards,
noah


Let's see.....dog or woman....dog or woman...dog or woman.....the dog has
bathroom habits like a baby....the woman does not. Can't kiss the dog unless
I'm crazy. Hmmm....I'll take the dog.

I just don't get this dog thing.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"noah" wrote in message
...


DF- I don't know your particular boat or docking setup, or *your*
physical abilities. Have you thought about a harness arrangement, so
that you can grab the harness "backbone" and assist your pooch? There
are flotation suits available for "hunting dogs" (not a bad idea,
really. A PFD for your pooch) that have "grab handles" on the back to
assist the dog. ...just a thought. Check cabelas.com or other
outdoor outfitters.

Regards,
noah


Let's see.....dog or woman....dog or woman...dog or woman.....the dog has
bathroom habits like a baby....the woman does not. Can't kiss the dog unless
I'm crazy. Hmmm....I'll take the dog.

I just don't get this dog thing.



Wait just a minute there. You've never kissed a dog? I mean a dog of the
canine variety? What kind of man are you?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Let's see.....dog or woman....dog or woman...dog or woman.....the dog
has
bathroom habits like a baby....the woman does not. Can't kiss the dog
unless
I'm crazy. Hmmm....I'll take the dog.

I just don't get this dog thing.



Wait just a minute there. You've never kissed a dog? I mean a dog of the
canine variety? What kind of man are you?

I realize that a large segment of the population thinks it's cute to be
licked on the face by an animal that licks its own ass, any other dog's ass,
and any pile of **** if finds on the curb, but I just cannot get excited
about it.

I'll tell ya what's fun, though: When I'm gardening and a dog-bot stops
their beast to do its business on my lawn, I get within 10 ft the dog, hold
the pitch pork menacingly, and politely ask if they could be sure to NEVER
stop the dog for 10 feet either side of the property line. I've even made
black people turn white before they've moved along to ruin someone else's
world. And, I can throw a pitch fork about 20 feet, with astounding
accuracy.

Dogs. Bah.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Let's see.....dog or woman....dog or woman...dog or woman.....the dog
has
bathroom habits like a baby....the woman does not. Can't kiss the dog
unless
I'm crazy. Hmmm....I'll take the dog.

I just don't get this dog thing.



Wait just a minute there. You've never kissed a dog? I mean a dog of the
canine variety? What kind of man are you?

I realize that a large segment of the population thinks it's cute to be
licked on the face by an animal that licks its own ass, any other dog's ass,
and any pile of **** if finds on the curb, but I just cannot get excited
about it.

I'll tell ya what's fun, though: When I'm gardening and a dog-bot stops
their beast to do its business on my lawn, I get within 10 ft the dog, hold
the pitch pork menacingly, and politely ask if they could be sure to NEVER
stop the dog for 10 feet either side of the property line. I've even made
black people turn white before they've moved along to ruin someone else's
world. And, I can throw a pitch fork about 20 feet, with astounding
accuracy.

Dogs. Bah.




Ooooh. As un-American a statement as I've read here.

Woof.

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