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I just saw Obama's HS speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps
I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
Tim wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Then you might be ready to watch this, and see why Republicans are so intimidate by Obama, their only weapon is fear-mongering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvbL_...layer_embedded -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. If it upsets RepubliThugs, it must be ok. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
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says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Just think, s.f.b., if health care reform passes, you might be able to get coverage on your own, and become less of a burden to taxpayers. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Okay time to disprove some more Republican lies! On the speech to students, the one that the GOP is telling you was completely changed..... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/oba...ch-to-schools/ About H.R. 3200, little pesky things like the lies about ACORN, a govt. panel will decide your treatment, and on and on and on http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twe...about-hr-3200/ Abortion lies by the GOP http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abo...s-fabricating/ And healthcare claims.... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/ |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed? Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to understand? -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed? Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to understand? No, here's one! OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized. THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
"NotNow" wrote in message
... Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck And healthcare claims.... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/ Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts. -- Nom=de=Plume |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
In article ,
says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed? Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to understand? No, here's one! OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized. THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due. Now, we just got to pass the bill "before" we fast track another 30 million or so... hummmm, doubt that "ever" crossed anyones mind in congress. snerk -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
Now, we just got to pass the bill "before" we fast track another 30 million or so... hummmm, doubt that "ever" crossed anyones mind in congress. snerk You know, most illegal aliens work... Why don't you leave the country? -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed? Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to understand? No, here's one! OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized. THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due. Now, we just got to pass the bill "before" we fast track another 30 million or so... hummmm, doubt that "ever" crossed anyones mind in congress. snerk Now, where'd you get THAT information? Another GOP lie you've been told? |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:07:43 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. You're making less and less sense as our illustrious President's term get into full swing. I bet that speech last night got your panties in a real bunch. Like the Republicans in attendence, you could figure out whether to stand up and clap or sit down and frown. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:07:43 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. You're making less and less sense as our illustrious President's term get into full swing. I bet that speech last night got your panties in a real bunch. Like the Republicans in attendence, you could figure out whether to stand up and clap or sit down and frown. Tom is moving closer and closer to the precipice. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:31:00 -0700, jps wrote:
Like the Republicans in attendence, you could figure out whether to stand up and clap or sit down and frown. Ever see that SNL skit where the pols were asked to stand up if they agreed with a point about policy? Funny as all get out. Think they had JJ and AG players, but I can't remember the rest. Can't find it either. Might have been for the '91 election. Hilarious. --Vic |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:10:11 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:31:00 -0700, jps wrote: Like the Republicans in attendence, you could figure out whether to stand up and clap or sit down and frown. Ever see that SNL skit where the pols were asked to stand up if they agreed with a point about policy? Funny as all get out. Think they had JJ and AG players, but I can't remember the rest. Can't find it either. Might have been for the '91 election. Hilarious. --Vic It was nearly as comical last night. All you have to say is "accountability" and the Republicans pop up like jack-in-the-boxes. Doesn't matter what the accountability is to or for, just the mere uttering of the word gets a Pavlovian response. Obama played the R's like a harp last night. They looked like the petulant idiots they are. Eric Cantor tweeting away, the lot of them with their arms crossed and scowls on their faces. Totally outclassed by a classy CIC. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck And healthcare claims.... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/ Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts. Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead? |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck And healthcare claims.... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/ Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts. Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead? It was b.s., based upon the simple mechanical questions he has asked here in recent months. -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck Yahoo news, good try! What, shooting the messenger?? Are the quotes fudged, numbers changed? Just curious if this answered your question or not. You asked what distortions, lies, and misdirections" and we did, what is so hard to understand? No, here's one! OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized. THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due. Now, we just got to pass the bill "before" we fast track another 30 million or so... hummmm, doubt that "ever" crossed anyones mind in congress. snerk Now, where'd you get THAT information? Another GOP lie you've been told? Yeah, it's a big lie that the Democratic party wants to make the illegals, legal to vote.. And ACORN is not a wing of the DNC either, snerk... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
"H the K" wrote in message m... jps wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:37:30 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Tom posted this earlier, it's only one source.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/...th_care_fact_c heck And healthcare claims.... http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/oba...h-care-claims/ Seems a lot more balanced than the previous link to the claims vs. facts. Isn't The Freak a Mr. Goodwrench? I seem to remember him touting all the GM sheepskins he'd earned or was that a different dunderhead? It was b.s., based upon the simple mechanical questions he has asked here in recent months. -- The Freak does his best work on the kitchen table. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. The problem with the health care speech is it does not match the House bill. And the OP was about the HS speech. Most of the uproar was not about the speech but the lesson plans and other stuff that went along with the speech. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal health care. However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal immigrants. It's in the bill they said. So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez. Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens that don't speak English. So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto! Eddie |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
"Eddie" wrote in message
... In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal health care. However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal immigrants. It's in the bill they said. So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez. Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens that don't speak English. So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto! Eddie Very easy to cite an impossibly complicated hypothetical, then answer the question any way you want to... No one is refused EM care. Should we institute national ID cards? ... cause that's what it'll take... Seems like a lot of expense for very little savings. -- Nom=de=Plume |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote:
I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
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says... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote: I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico But not free.. If you need free health care, you gotta' come here and screw the system, well as long as you are not a citizen... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
"thunder" wrote in message t... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote: I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico If it was as you state, we in Califonia would be saving a lot of billions in healthcare costs. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:43:12 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote: I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. But not necessarily better. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. You mean like Steve McQueen did, right? Do you remember "alternative" Mexican treatments like coffee enemas and laetrile? You don't? Why anyone would go to a third world county like Mexico for medical treatment puzzles me. Because it's cheaper? Hell, here it's free! Ever hear of Medicaid? "If you can't afford to pay for medical care right now, Medicaid can make it possible for you to get the care that you need so that you can get healthy – and stay healthy." ** I owned a wholesale flower business from 1979 to 2002. I employed only Mexican workers, all which were illegal *but* showed me a SS card when they were hired. I knew the SS cards were bogus, but I also was not the police so I did not investigate whether they were genuine or not. It was not my job. I had a large turnover of employees over the years and I know about health care in Mexico, not only from what I heard from them, but from my brother-in-law, who immigrated to the U.S. from Mexico. He is a physician, a neurosurgeon in fact. So I probably know more about Mexican health care than most on this group. If you're a rich Mexican you'll have access to good medical care, by coming to America! And not only Mexicans, but Canadians, Spaniards (Jose Carrera, opera tenor) Arab Sheiks from the UAE, from Italy, the Prime Minister, Desmond Tutu, The King of Tonga, and thousands more from countries with free medical care. So why America? Why do these thousands come here when they have "good" medical care in their own countries? Why? And now can you imagine the droves of sick people who will come here for medical treatments when they find out it's free to non-citizens? Again, no ID required, no proof of U.S. citizenship, no questions of national status or origin, no questions of birthplace, and again, no English required, because by law an interpreter *must* be provided. At no cost of course. Well, no cost to the applicant, but a cost to the American tax payer. I can just imagine the laughter across the world after hearing of obamacare and how stupid we must be to allow this to happen. btw, I got paid today, and I noticed my net pay is down a little due to new taxes. And all this despite lower taxes for "95% of Americans" according to the messiah. I consider myself one of the "95%" and I'm still waiting for my taxes to go down. Has yours gone down? Anyone? Just curious Eddie **http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Medicaidgeninfo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:29:08 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:
If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico If it was as you state, we in Califonia would be saving a lot of billions in healthcare costs. And all this time, I thought Mexicans crossed over for work. I never stated anything to the effect, that those already here, didn't use our medical facilities. OTH, Mexico does have a large medical tourism sector. Many Americans routinely head south for dentistry, and elective surgeries not covered my their health care. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:27:26 -0700, Eddie wrote:
I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. But not necessarily better. Did I say that it was? The WHO has America ranked at 37, Mexico at 61. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. You mean like Steve McQueen did, right? Do you remember "alternative" Mexican treatments like coffee enemas and laetrile? You don't? Why anyone would go to a third world county like Mexico for medical treatment puzzles me. Because it's cheaper? Hell, here it's free! Ever hear of Medicaid? "If you can't afford to pay for medical care right now, Medicaid can make it possible for you to get the care that you need so that you can get healthy – and stay healthy." ** I owned a wholesale flower business from 1979 to 2002. I employed only Mexican workers, all which were illegal *but* showed me a SS card when they were hired. I knew the SS cards were bogus, but I also was not the police so I did not investigate whether they were genuine or not. It was not my job. I had a large turnover of employees over the years and I know about health care in Mexico, not only from what I heard from them, but from my brother-in-law, who immigrated to the U.S. from Mexico. He is a physician, a neurosurgeon in fact. So I probably know more about Mexican health care than most on this group. If you're a rich Mexican you'll have access to good medical care, by coming to America! And not only Mexicans, but Canadians, Spaniards (Jose Carrera, opera tenor) Arab Sheiks from the UAE, from Italy, the Prime Minister, Desmond Tutu, The King of Tonga, and thousands more from countries with free medical care. So why America? Why do these thousands come here when they have "good" medical care in their own countries? Why? I thought we were talking about an unemployed, poor, Mexican? Now, we are talking about Arab Sheiks? WTF? My point was, Mexico has universal coverage. If you are Mexican, and poor, you will stay home for fully subsidized health care. My second point was, Mexico has a large medical tourism sector. Americans routinely head south for dentistry, plastic surgeries, and other elective surgeries, because costs are considerably cheaper there. And now can you imagine the droves of sick people who will come here for medical treatments when they find out it's free to non-citizens? Again, no ID required, no proof of U.S. citizenship, no questions of national status or origin, no questions of birthplace, and again, no English required, because by law an interpreter *must* be provided. At no cost of course. Well, no cost to the applicant, but a cost to the American tax payer. I can just imagine the laughter across the world after hearing of obamacare and how stupid we must be to allow this to happen. btw, I got paid today, and I noticed my net pay is down a little due to new taxes. And all this despite lower taxes for "95% of Americans" according to the messiah. I consider myself one of the "95%" and I'm still waiting for my taxes to go down. Has yours gone down? Anyone? Just curious Eddie **http://www.cms.hhs.gov/Medicaidgeninfo/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
Eddie wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal health care. However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal immigrants. It's in the bill they said. So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez. Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens that don't speak English. So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto! Eddie Bull****. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
thunder wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:01:52 -0700, Eddie wrote: I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. Then you will stay in Mexico, where health care is either partially or fully subsidized. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many) go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. If people cross over for health care, it tends to be the other way, from America to Mexico, where costs are considerably cheaper. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico A lot of people are going to other countries for healthcare to save money. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
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says... Eddie wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal health care. However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal immigrants. It's in the bill they said. So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many)N go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez. Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens that don't speak English. So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto! Eddie Bull****. Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was deliberately left out of the law... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote:
Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was deliberately left out of the law... That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb? |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
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I just saw Obama's HS speech
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:08:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0400, JustWait wrote: Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was deliberately left out of the law... That's nice. I guess we should all permanently carry our passports around with us, and clean underwear. You never know when you might be involved in an accident. So, how does that work? If you can't prove citizenship, to they kick you out unto the curb? No.. They just treat you and bill me... The myth that folks without insurance can't get treated here is just that. Of course if you are a legal citizen you get a 24 thousand dollar bill like I just did... Ah, so nothing has changed. To get back to Eddie's point about poor, unemployed Mexicans coming here for health care, why would they? Mexico *has* universal coverage. You know, I haven't heard anyone say that you can't get treated here, with or without insurance coverage. However, with or without coverage, an illness is the number one cause of personal bankruptcy. Without reform, health care is approaching 20% GDP. Our health care system is broken, and needs help. |
I just saw Obama's HS speech
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... Eddie wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:56:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:46:28 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws1YDi4hEps I thought it was good, that is unless I was missing something bad about it. Other than all the distortions, outright lies and general misdirection about his intentions, it wasn't bad at all. Please list the distortions, lies and misdirections, with proof that they are what you claim. In the local news at 10 channel right after the speech they said it is correct that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for universal health care. However, at the end of that news report, they did mention (the disclosure) in a quick report that although that is true, illegal immigrants *DO NOT* have to say they are undocumented illegal immigrants. It's in the bill they said. So let me get this right, I have cancer, serious cancer that will need a lot of attention, with surgery, etc, etc. I live in Mexico, I am unemployed, very poor, and will die without good medical care. I then cross over (it's done daily, by many)N go to the nearest health provider, be it a cancer specialist or hospital and tell them I need help. Because I would not qualify for benefits as the bill is written, I would just say my name Jose Jimenez. Nothing else. No proof that I am a citizen of the U.S. Actually I wouldn't even have to speak English, as there are many U.S. citizens that don't speak English. So Obama is right. No health care for illegals. But whatcha bet the illegals will find out about the small print, very pronto! Eddie Bull****. Not bull**** at all.. It was finally friday they agreed to put in legislation forcing folks to prove citizenship... Up until then it was deliberately left out of the law... Prove citizenship? Uh...does that mean bringing one's passport to the doctor's office? -- Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger: Idiots All |
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