On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.

Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.

I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.
Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.

I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.


I believe a bill reasonably close to what Obama highlighted last night
will land on his desk.

I agree about the progressives. They're not stupid. Under Obama's
proposals, they're getting nearly a full platter of what they wanted. It
would be foolish for them to sit on their hands and hope for something
better.

As has been discussed, the biggest fear of the Republicans is that
*anything* gets passed, because whatever is passed will be something the
majority of voters will like, and it will be awfully easy for the Dems
to run ads in 2010 and 2012 against those nasty ReThugs who opposed
health care reform.

Moderate Republicans? You mean the two Senators from Maine?




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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:58:15 -0400, H the K wrote:


I believe a bill reasonably close to what Obama highlighted last night
will land on his desk.

I also tend to think it will.

I agree about the progressives. They're not stupid. Under Obama's
proposals, they're getting nearly a full platter of what they wanted. It
would be foolish for them to sit on their hands and hope for something
better.

As has been discussed, the biggest fear of the Republicans is that
*anything* gets passed, because whatever is passed will be something the
majority of voters will like, and it will be awfully easy for the Dems
to run ads in 2010 and 2012 against those nasty ReThugs who opposed
health care reform.

Moderate Republicans? You mean the two Senators from Maine?

Those two, but I suspect several more, including some rather Conservative
Senators. If the final package comes in close to deficit neutral, I
suspect you could have McCain and Voinovich on board. Perhaps, another
couple, but I wouldn't want to guess who.

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:59:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:58:15 -0400, H the K wrote:


I believe a bill reasonably close to what Obama highlighted last night
will land on his desk.

I also tend to think it will.

I agree about the progressives. They're not stupid. Under Obama's
proposals, they're getting nearly a full platter of what they wanted. It
would be foolish for them to sit on their hands and hope for something
better.

As has been discussed, the biggest fear of the Republicans is that
*anything* gets passed, because whatever is passed will be something the
majority of voters will like, and it will be awfully easy for the Dems
to run ads in 2010 and 2012 against those nasty ReThugs who opposed
health care reform.

Moderate Republicans? You mean the two Senators from Maine?

Those two, but I suspect several more, including some rather Conservative
Senators. If the final package comes in close to deficit neutral, I
suspect you could have McCain and Voinovich on board. Perhaps, another
couple, but I wouldn't want to guess who.

Orrin Hatch?

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:00:56 -0700, jps wrote:


Those two, but I suspect several more, including some rather
Conservative Senators. If the final package comes in close to deficit
neutral, I suspect you could have McCain and Voinovich on board.
Perhaps, another couple, but I wouldn't want to guess who.

Orrin Hatch?

It wouldn't surprise me. There are several Senators, from both sides of
the aisle, that when push comes to shove, put partisan differences aside
to get the job done. Hatch has done that in the past. My view, it will
depend on being as close to deficit neutral as possible, even if it
includes a "pubic option". That public option will most likely be co-
ops, but again, if it comes close to deficit neutral I could see several
Republicans coming on board.

In all the recent noise, overlooked is Grassley, Enzi, and Snowe, have
all been working with Baucus, in Committee, to reach some sort of
compromise legislation. Grassley and Enzi have been vocal against the
public option. I wouldn't predict Enzi signing on, but Grassley is a
possibility. Perhaps, a long shot, but possible.

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says...

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.

Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.

I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..

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JustWait wrote:

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..


You barely got through high school, and you've never had a real job.
What the hell could you possibly know about the health care industry or
its issues from a macro point of view?




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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:40:07 -0400, H the K
wrote:

JustWait wrote:

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..


You barely got through high school, and you've never had a real job.
What the hell could you possibly know about the health care industry or
its issues from a macro point of view?

Talking points all. He couldn't field an original thought if the cops
threatened to throw him down the stairs.

JustWait wrote:
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says...
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:10:16 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:09:52 -0700, jps wrote:

Make no mistake about it: President Obama and the Democrats are not
going to back down until they get this bill done.
Oh yeah - they sure are going to get it done.
I was more concerned with the Blue Dog Democrats, than I was with the
Progressives, and the Blue Dogs seem to be getting on board. The House
isn't a problem, but the Senate could have been. I'm thinking there will
be perhaps 1/2 dozen, or so, Republican Senators that will also come over
from the dark side.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..


Only the GOP would give kudos for someone heckling the president giving
a speech in Congress. Even most Republican politicians are railing
against what he did, but the unhinged portion? They think it's just grand.

In article , NotNow@noway.

Something has to be done. Moderate Republicans know something has to be
done. Just saying No ain't going to cut it.

Well, if proposing 34 seperat bills to date is doing nothing, so be it.
I consider "doing nothing" summarily dismissing each and every bill and
idea the Republicans suggest, without debate or due process...

Fact, we can address waste without a huge takeover.
Fact, tort reform will save billions
Fact, the ability for ins. companies to work over state lines would save
billions.
Fact, outlawing preexisting conditions requirements can be done without
a huge take over..

Fact, these four things can be done without a huge takeover and if the
Dems were really concerned with reform, they would address these issues
seperatly without a huge takeover, but that is not their final agenda...
Until they get serious, the name calling and lies, are useless..


Only the GOP would give kudos for someone heckling the president giving
a speech in Congress. Even most Republican politicians are railing
against what he did, but the unhinged portion? They think it's just grand.

Read the original statement again, then my response.. Maybe I missed
something here but heckling was not even part of the conversation. Seems
like you just blurted out an attack at "the unhinged portion" out of the
blue.. Seems a bit unhinged to me



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