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Population drop stops our streak

By James Thorner, Times Staff Writer

Published Monday, August 10, 2009

The growth state is officially shrinking.

Hit by a double-whammy of the housing crash and the recession, Florida
has lost population for the first time since the demobilization of
hundreds of thousands of soldiers after World War II.

University of Florida demographers will report Friday that the state
shed about 50,000 residents between April 2008 and April 2009. That
should knock the number of Floridians down a notch from the previously
reported 18.3 million.

It's the first time since 1946 that Florida has been a net population
loser. Even during the Great Depression, new residents swept into the
state in search of work and leisure. But the severe housing contraction,
combined with the sputtering of Florida's job creation machine, has
eclipsed the state's former gravitational pull.

"You've had families with kids move out when housing prices went up too
high," said UF economist David Denslow. "And with construction down,
immigrant workers have left."

The university's Bureau of Economic and Business Research relies mainly
on electric company connections and disconnections, supplemented by
building permit data, to estimate population changes.

In the Tampa Bay area, St. Petersburg's Progress Energy reported a net
loss of 8,000 electric customers from the first three months of 2008 to
the same period in 2009. Tampa Electric lost about 2,200 customers in
the first half of this year compared with a year earlier. UF tweaked the
numbers on the theory that some of the lost customers didn't leave the
state but moved in with friends or family.

"We've got plenty of rooftops to spare. We just don't have the bodies to
put in them,'' said University of Central Florida economist Sean Snaith.

The latest population numbers back up a trend noted earlier by the U.S.
census. Using estimates through July 2008, the federal government said
Florida had a net loss of 9,286 domestic residents. If it hadn't been
for 77,427 immigrants, mainly from Latin America, the state's population
would have fallen last year.

Those immigrants haven't shown up in the same numbers this year, Denslow
said. Not only have thousands of Mexican construction workers left, but
Colombians who fled violence and instability in their county in the
1980s and '90s have been returning to South America.

Most economic forecasters expect Florida's population dip to be
short-lived. Scott Brown, chief economist for Raymond James Financial in
St. Petersburg, sees it as a one-year anomaly. But it's a stunning one
in a state that has been so reliant on surging population.

"We used to say the growth industry in Florida has been growth, kind of
as a joke," he said.

In a state with no income tax, state and local governments count heavily
on migrating retirees to boost revenue and create jobs. In fact, the
lack of an income tax is part of the allure.

The recession-fueled collapse of stock prices last year stopped some of
that. Retirees wanting to move to Florida either couldn't sell their
homes up north or lacked a mortgage down payment after investment
accounts took a pounding.

"That engine shuts off and you wonder where you're going to raise funds.
There's no state income tax you can tweak. You can cut, cut and cut till
people get fed up," Brown said.

Overall, the U.S. population is growing about 1 percent annually, and
Sun Belt states like Florida should grow a bit faster than that starting
in 2010 or 2011. Some forecasts show the state's population crossing the
20 million barrier around 2016. By 2040, the state could hold as many as
30 million people.

But Snaith points to charts showing a slowing rate of population growth
going back to 1969. Considering its relatively high housing and property
insurance prices, Florida has gradually lost its reputation as a bargain
destination.

"The demographics of the state have changed. Coming out of this
recession we won't have what we've had to pull us through recessions
before. One of those things has been population growth," Snaith said.
"We've kind of lost that mantle of being the cheap place to live.''

UF won't release specific population data for Florida's cities and
counties until Friday. But previous reports have already pegged Pinellas
County as a population loser.

The university said Florida's last population decline occurred from 1945
to 1946, when America defeated the Nazis and Japan. The state had housed
hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors and airmen in places like
Drew and McDill airfields in Tampa and Camp Blanding near Gainesville.
Many military men and their dependents departed at the end of the war.

Even during the real estate bust of the late 1920s and the economic
cataclysm of the 1930s, the population continued to rise. You would have
to go back to 1916-18 to find the next instance of a population decline.

On Sep 4, 7:47*am, H the K wrote:
tampabay.com
Population drop stops our streak

By James Thorner, Times Staff Writer

Published Monday, August 10, 2009

The growth state is officially shrinking.

Hit by a double-whammy of the housing crash and the recession, Florida
has lost population for the first time since the demobilization of
hundreds of thousands of soldiers after World War II.

University of Florida demographers will report Friday that the state
shed about 50,000 residents between April 2008 and April 2009. That
should knock the number of Floridians down a notch from the previously
reported 18.3 million.

It's the first time since 1946 that Florida has been a net population
loser. Even during the Great Depression, new residents swept into the
state in search of work and leisure. But the severe housing contraction,
combined with the sputtering of Florida's job creation machine, has
eclipsed the state's former gravitational pull.

"You've had families with kids move out when housing prices went up too
high," said UF economist David Denslow. "And with construction down,
immigrant workers have left."

The university's Bureau of Economic and Business Research relies mainly
on electric company connections and disconnections, supplemented by
building permit data, to estimate population changes.

In the Tampa Bay area, St. Petersburg's Progress Energy reported a net
loss of 8,000 electric customers from the first three months of 2008 to
the same period in 2009. Tampa Electric lost about 2,200 customers in
the first half of this year compared with a year earlier. UF tweaked the
numbers on the theory that some of the lost customers didn't leave the
state but moved in with friends or family.

"We've got plenty of rooftops to spare. We just don't have the bodies to
put in them,'' said University of Central Florida economist Sean Snaith.

The latest population numbers back up a trend noted earlier by the U.S.
census. Using estimates through July 2008, the federal government said
Florida had a net loss of 9,286 domestic residents. If it hadn't been
for 77,427 immigrants, mainly from Latin America, the state's population
would have fallen last year.

Those immigrants haven't shown up in the same numbers this year, Denslow
said. Not only have thousands of Mexican construction workers left, but
Colombians who fled violence and instability in their county in the
1980s and '90s have been returning to South America.

Most economic forecasters expect Florida's population dip to be
short-lived. Scott Brown, chief economist for Raymond James Financial in
St. Petersburg, sees it as a one-year anomaly. But it's a stunning one
in a state that has been so reliant on surging population.

"We used to say the growth industry in Florida has been growth, kind of
as a joke," he said.

In a state with no income tax, state and local governments count heavily
on migrating retirees to boost revenue and create jobs. In fact, the
lack of an income tax is part of the allure.

The recession-fueled collapse of stock prices last year stopped some of
that. Retirees wanting to move to Florida either couldn't sell their
homes up north or lacked a mortgage down payment after investment
accounts took a pounding.

"That engine shuts off and you wonder where you're going to raise funds.
There's no state income tax you can tweak. You can cut, cut and cut till
people get fed up," Brown said.

Overall, the U.S. population is growing about 1 percent annually, and
Sun Belt states like Florida should grow a bit faster than that starting
in 2010 or 2011. Some forecasts show the state's population crossing the
20 million barrier around 2016. By 2040, the state could hold as many as
30 million people.

But Snaith points to charts showing a slowing rate of population growth
going back to 1969. Considering its relatively high housing and property
insurance prices, Florida has gradually lost its reputation as a bargain
destination.

"The demographics of the state have changed. Coming out of this
recession we won't have what we've had to pull us through recessions
before. One of those things has been population growth," Snaith said.
"We've kind of lost that mantle of being the cheap place to live.''

UF won't release specific population data for Florida's cities and
counties until Friday. But previous reports have already pegged Pinellas
County as a population loser.

The university said Florida's last population decline occurred from 1945
to 1946, when America defeated the Nazis and Japan. The state had housed
hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors and airmen in places like
Drew and McDill airfields in Tampa and Camp Blanding near Gainesville.
Many military men and their dependents departed at the end of the war.

Even during the real estate bust of the late 1920s and the economic
cataclysm of the 1930s, the population continued to rise. You would have
to go back to 1916-18 to find the next instance of a population decline.

Here, let me help out. West Nile mosquitoes breeding in swimming
pools of vacant homes are spreading Cholera and Malaria causing
outbreaks of disease not seen for a hundred years. Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.

Gene wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.

Well, that's good enough for me! I'll spend my tourist dollar in NC
where it will pay personal dividends....


We'll be going to Florida for a winter thaw in January.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.

Well, that's good enough for me! I'll spend my tourist dollar in NC
where it will pay personal dividends....


We'll be going to Florida for a winter thaw in January.





Let me know when you arrive.

"D 2" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.

Well, that's good enough for me! I'll spend my tourist dollar in NC
where it will pay personal dividends....


We'll be going to Florida for a winter thaw in January.





Let me know when you arrive.

You gonna hide in the swamp too... just like the Georgia Peach?

Don White wrote:
"D 2" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.
Well, that's good enough for me! I'll spend my tourist dollar in NC
where it will pay personal dividends....

We'll be going to Florida for a winter thaw in January.




Let me know when you arrive.

You gonna hide in the swamp too... just like the Georgia Peach?


As a Floridian, I welcome tourists like Krausie into the state, so long
as they bring lots of money and leave their attitude home.

Don White wrote:
"D 2" wrote in message
...
H the K wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:38:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Officials (me)
recommend that tourists not visit Florida now.
Well, that's good enough for me! I'll spend my tourist dollar in NC
where it will pay personal dividends....

We'll be going to Florida for a winter thaw in January.




Let me know when you arrive.

You gonna hide in the swamp too... just like the Georgia Peach?



Are you WAFA's spokesman, dummy?

Loogy didn't hide - WAFA never posted his arrival information. Ever
been to the Atlanta airport? I have. It's the busiest in the US.

I'll meet WAFA at any S. Florida airport. PBI is the best for me but I
do have two BMW's at the ready.