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Those pesky facts again about healthcare
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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Those pesky facts again about healthcare
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:16:12 -0400, NotNow wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... John H. wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Sep 2, 2:32 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:15:02 -0400, NotNow wrote: Your thinking is flawed. What has happened in the past DOES have a bearing on today. We're still spending money in Iraq, for instance. Yes, Obama is. One must wonder why he is still there if so many liberals think Iraq was a bad idea. -- because we know bush ****ed it up so bad that we now have to clean the mess up before we leave. i know that, to rednecks, they think liberals want to cut and run, but that shows how little rednecks know about anything Uh, uh, what mess? -- John H The infrastructure is in shambles, Bush promised to rebuild it. It's a lot better than when we went in. Girls are in school for one... Bull****!!! "The reasons for the intense support for al-Zaidi is that the people of Iraq have been experiencing the grim realities of life after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of their country in 2003. Iraq’s physical infrastructure, destroyed by the invasion, continues to be in disrepair despite the Bush administration’s claims that $69 billion has been invested in Iraq. At least 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died owing to the occupation. Two million Iraqis have been forced to flee the country and live in squalid refugee camps. The number of internally displaced persons is said to be even larger." Max Boot, neocon editorialist and Senior Fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) wrote in an opinion column that; "It was no accident that he [Rumsfeld] neglected the kind of post-invasion planning needed to implement the sweeping changes envisioned by his boss, George W. Bush, and his erstwhile deputy, Paul Wolfowitz." Daniel Goure, neocon nuclear-warhawk, summed it up on the CFR website. "It is either an illegal, immoral, or mistaken enterprise foisted on the American public by a neo-con [servative] cabal or a legitimate, even noble, enterprise gone awry by the hubris of those at the White House and Pentagon. From the failures of intelligence and the lack of a plan for stability and reconstruction..." "The draft report, mentioned in the first paragraph above and with a preliminary title of; Hard Lessons: The Iraq Reconstruction Experience, states that, "... the US Government was not adequately prepared to carry out the reconstruction mission it took on..." - again ignoring the fact that this was not so much a failure of government as it was a disastrous failure of free market economics." How does current power generation compare with the Saddam era? "Experts say power disruptions and brownouts also occurred under Saddam but that service is even less reliable now. "There's no question that [power outages] are worse now," says a UN development official, who would only speak on condition of anonymity. After the first Gulf War, when U.S. planes shelled Iraqi power stations and disrupted much of the country's electricity grid, Saddam's government acted relatively quickly to restore service, especially in Baghdad" What is the status of Iraq’s oil production? "Oil output, which constitutes roughly half of Iraq's gross domestic product, is still well below its prewar level of 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd), an output that was already attenuated because of UN sanctions against Saddam's regime. Despite $1.7 billion of U.S. investment, Iraq is still producing below 2 million bpd, well short of its official OPEC quota of 3.5 million bpd. Monthly oil revenues from exports remain a meager $2.9 billion (by comparison, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil producer, had monthly revenues last year of around $13 billion). U.S. officials are eager to boost Iraq's oil revenues to support the newly formed government and help pay for a number of planned projects. Iraq holds one of the world's largest untapped reserves of oil but its existing fields are sorely outdated and underdeveloped." And on and on..... Now go find a conservative pundit. Or do you want me to do it? -- John H Why? From the above, are you still saying that Bush's infrastructure rebuilding program failure is "bull****"? |
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