In article ,
says...

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:00:22 -0400, H K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.


According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Sep 1, 9:19*am, JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:00:22 -0400, H K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:39 -0500, jpjccd wrote:

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:56:50 -0700, Jim wrote:

In fairness, the budget surplus was due to both parties cooperating. *It
only took one party a few months to undue the surplus. *Which one was
that?
Any reasonable debate will not be enhanced by citing cynical, biased
pieces written by partisans.

There has never been a "surplus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

Not true. *You can have a *budget* surplus and still have debt. *Bush did
inherit a $128 billion surplus.

According to the Repubs here, it just isn't *fair* to keep bringing up
Bush as if he were responsible for the messes Obama inherited.

I mean, just because Bush was the worst president in the history of this
country, and screwed up just about everything he touched, and did so
over eight years, he's been out of office for months now.

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.


the fact is bush had ample intelligence warnings that something was
coming. i don't blame bush for 9/11 but it's ridiculous to blame obama
for things that are plainly bush's fault

you need to learn some history...as in 12 months ago

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:22:16 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

....and besides that, BO has saved over 4.5 million jobs in only nine
months.
--
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"

John H

On Sep 1, 6:22*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait





wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. *I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. *Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. *I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. *It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. *Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 1, 6:22Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait





wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a Â*better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. Â*I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Â*Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. Â*I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. Â*It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Â*Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

See, I went through this with Eisboch, who somehow ended up putting
the economy on Bush's back, and now with you, from the other side of
the political spectrum.
Bush is gone.
Obama is POTUS.
I didn't say anything about the causes of the current economy.
I'm talking now. The past is gone.
Jesus, quit living in the past.
Past mistakes are only useful in dealing with the here and now.
If Obama has what it takes, he'll fix the economy.
Simple as that.

--Vic

On Sep 1, 7:45*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Sep 1, 6:22*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait

wrote:
In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a *better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. *I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. *Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. *I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. *It's Obama's economy.

uh...,no. you can make up whatever rules *you want. you can sit in
blissful denial pretending bush and his spending policies had nothing
to do with our state today. *but try walking out a 10th story window.
your denial of the effects of gravity won't save you

I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. *Obama is responsible.

no, he's not. not unless you think a moving train can be stopped by
holding your hand out and saying 'whoa'

See, I went through this with Eisboch, who somehow ended up putting
the economy on Bush's back, and now with you, from the other side of
the political spectrum.
Bush is gone.
Obama is POTUS.

and you deny a factor called 'time'. history happens in time. unless
you're at the event horizon of a black hole where time stops, then
REALITY happens in time

so there's your problem. you're unable to be realistic

I didn't say anything about the causes of the current economy.
I'm talking now. *The past is gone.

no, it's not. there's an idea called 'cause and effect'. bush caused
the problem. we're living with its effects

Jesus, quit living in the past.]

i live in reality. not sure about your planet


Past mistakes are only useful in dealing with the here and now.
If Obama has what it takes, he'll fix the economy.
Simple as that. *

he's no more responsible for the broken economy than the plumber is
responsible for the water flooding your kitchen from the broken pipe

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...


A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic


Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

I watched it too. Wasn't any Americans fault, it was the pig dog cowards
who flew the planes into the towers.

--
Wafa free since 2009

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:00 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

In article ,
says...

A bit over 7 months now.
And thus far no terrorist attacks on the Homeland.
If Obama keeps us safe for 11 more days he'll prove he's a better man
at protecting the citizens of the United States of America from
massive terrorist attack during the first year in office than was GWB.
Then we go from there to other record settings, for good or bad.
I'm keeping score.

--Vic

Holy ****! That is the 88888888 thing you have ever said.. Fact is,
BinLaden didn't start planning 911 on Jan 20, 01 and you know it...
Please don't step into W3fhs' mold of bumper sticker mentality.

I remember watching the towers come down and the horror of seeing all
those innocent people killed. I was ****ed that our leadership
allowed that to happen. Didn't give a thought to Bill Clinton.
If something like that happens again I won't give a thought to GWB.
It'll be on Obama's back. I won't care if it was planned while GWB
was in office.
Same with the economy. It's Obama's economy.
I'm not blaming GWB for escalating unemployment.
GWB is gone. Obama is responsible.
You guys can blame whoever want for whatever you want.
Don't bother me. Freedom of speech.
It was Dick Cheney boasting/lying about him keeping us safe for "8
years" that got me thinking about the scorecard.
Facts is facts.

--Vic

So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:44:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

So recent history has no bearing on what's happening today?

Never said that. But the history that counts starts today.
Who's going to influence today and forward?
GWB or BO?
Only one answer to that.
We get only one decider at a time.
Everybody knows that BO inherited a decrepit house.
Up to him to fix it up or let it deteriorate further.
That's all I'm saying.
A leader has to lead. Frankly, he's starting to disappoint me.
And I've got examples where he's already failed.
The health care fix isn't going well, and he hasn't come out and
appealed to employers and employees to accept pay reductions instead
of job terminations. For patriotic reasons.
That's what a leader does.
And it's doable with the bully pulpit, and he never let out a peep.
Some smart company leadership does that themselves, but others need
prodding. Didn't work with the union maintenance staff where my
brother works, because the union voted it down. So some got
terminated. What that leads to is unemployment draining the gov
coffers, and defaults on loans and mortgages, loss of health
insurance, etc.
Obama could have influenced them and many others who are now
unemployed.
He's done nothing that I've yet seen to reinvigorate manufacturing,
whose loss is at the root of our economic problems.
He's way too tied up with the Wall Street jokers who got us here.
His cabinet is rotten with that trash.
But he's got some time to get it right.
Up to him. GWB is gone. Believe it or not.

--Vic