On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 26, 10:28*am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life...
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.

I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. *I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.

Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?

Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.

I am sorry to hear that Krause has lost respect for you.

That pains me more than the loss of Ted Kennedy. Maybe I spent too
much time listening to him on C-Span. The story Tom told, about the
graveside visits, was touching, But ...
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

"U-joint Buster" wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote
in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of
us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life...
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.

I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.

Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?

Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.

I am sorry to hear that Krause has lost respect for you.

That pains me more than the loss of Ted Kennedy. Maybe I spent too
much time listening to him on C-Span. The story Tom told, about the
graveside visits, was touching, But ...
--
John H


How many military funeral services do you go to Colonel Klink?
We don't count golfing days.

Don White wrote:
"U-joint Buster" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote
in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of
us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life...
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.
I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.
Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?
Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.
I am sorry to hear that Krause has lost respect for you.

That pains me more than the loss of Ted Kennedy. Maybe I spent too
much time listening to him on C-Span. The story Tom told, about the
graveside visits, was touching, But ...
--
John H


How many military funeral services do you go to Colonel Klink?
We don't count golfing days.



One wonders how many soldiers are dead or maimed because of herring's
incompetency.

On Aug 26, 2:18*pm, H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:
"U-joint Buster" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jeem" wrote in message
. com...
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote
in
messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com...
A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of
us
and the worst of us.
Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life....
Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean?
Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there.
Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of
your comments.
I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted
Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne
and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife.
Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative,
he'd be forgiven, correct?
Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. *AK) for his corruption. *We all
consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. *As your charge of
hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because
you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it.
I am sorry to hear that Krause has lost respect for you.

That pains me more than the loss of Ted Kennedy. Maybe I spent too
much time listening to him on C-Span. The story Tom told, about the
graveside visits, was touching, But ...
--
John H

How many military funeral services do you go to Colonel Klink?
We don't count golfing days.

One wonders how many soldiers are dead or maimed because of herring's
incompetency.

Jack Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban missile crisis by putting Jupiter
missiles in Turkey less than 100 miles from the Soviet Union. Anybody
with more than 2 neurons would have expected the Soviets to respond in
kind. Guess what, the agreement for resolving the crisis was that the
Soviets remove their missiles AND the USA would remove the missiles
from Turkey. I'd say Krushev was the hero in that Crisis by backing
down. I hate thinking good of the Soviets but in that case they were
right.
And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? Pure Kennedy cowardice.

On Aug 26, 2:27Â*pm, Frogwatch wrote:


Jack Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban missile crisis by putting Jupiter
missiles in Turkey less than 100 miles from the Soviet Union.

really? from 'wikipedia'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM-19_Jupiter

In October of 1959, the location of the third and final Jupiter MRBM
squadron was settled when the Government to Government agreement was
signed with Turkey. United States and Turkey concluded an agreement to
deploy one Jupiter squadron on NATO's southern flank.

One squadron totaling 15 missiles was deployed at 5 sites near Ä°zmir,
Turkey from 1961 to 1963. They were operated by U.S. Air Force
personnel.


so the missiles were PLANNED to be deployed BEFORE kennedy took
office.

moreover, given the massive amount of soviet hardware in europe, the
only way to tactically balance forces was by the use of nuclear (for
you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles


And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? Â*Pure Kennedy cowardice.-

actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that
kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 26, 2:27 pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Jack Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban missile crisis by putting Jupiter
missiles in Turkey less than 100 miles from the Soviet Union.

really? from 'wikipedia'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM-19_Jupiter

In October of 1959, the location of the third and final Jupiter MRBM
squadron was settled when the Government to Government agreement was
signed with Turkey. United States and Turkey concluded an agreement to
deploy one Jupiter squadron on NATO's southern flank.

One squadron totaling 15 missiles was deployed at 5 sites near Ä°zmir,
Turkey from 1961 to 1963. They were operated by U.S. Air Force
personnel.


so the missiles were PLANNED to be deployed BEFORE kennedy took
office.

moreover, given the massive amount of soviet hardware in europe, the
only way to tactically balance forces was by the use of nuclear (for
you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles


And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? Pure Kennedy cowardice.-

actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that
kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies.


Do you understand the difference between planning and implementation?

On Aug 27, 7:59*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
use of nuclear (for
you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles

And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? *Pure Kennedy cowardice.-

actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that
kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies.

Do you understand the difference between planning and implementation?-

do you understand the concept of national credibility?

Nope... Eisenhower. Read it and weep...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/jupiter.htm

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Jack Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban missile crisis by putting Jupiter
missiles in Turkey less than 100 miles from the Soviet Union. Anybody
with more than 2 neurons would have expected the Soviets to respond in
kind. Guess what, the agreement for resolving the crisis was that the
Soviets remove their missiles AND the USA would remove the missiles
from Turkey. I'd say Krushev was the hero in that Crisis by backing
down. I hate thinking good of the Soviets but in that case they were
right.
And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? Pure Kennedy cowardice.



--
Nom=de=Plume

On Aug 26, 3:01*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
Nope... Eisenhower. Read it and weep...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/jupiter.htm

"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...
Jack Kennedy CAUSED the Cuban missile crisis by putting Jupiter
missiles in Turkey less than 100 miles from the Soviet Union. *Anybody
with more than 2 neurons would have expected the Soviets to respond in
kind. *Guess what, the agreement for resolving the crisis was that the
Soviets remove their missiles AND the USA would remove the missiles
from Turkey. *I'd say Krushev was the hero in that Crisis by backing
down. *I hate thinking good of the Soviets but in that case they were
right.
And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing
AND then not support it once it was going? *Pure Kennedy cowardice.

--
Nom=de=Plume

The President is Commander in Chief, those missiles in Turkey need
never have been deployed. Kennedy could have stopped it at any time
but he stupidly went along with it due to his own "missile gap"
rhetoric in the 1960 campaign. Furthermore, Kennedy knew there was no
missile gap as did Nixon (this had been revealed by direct photo-
reco). However, Nixon could not reveal there was no missile gap
without violating security. Thus, Kennedy had a hand in greatly
increasing the arms race. Another reason he went along with the
Turkey missiles is because he was afraid of Curtis Lemay who was truly
crazed. Lemay really did want a nuke war with the Soviets and he
thought Kennedy was a wimp.
So, Kennedy caused the Cuban Missile Crisis because he HAD NO COJONES
to stand up to Lemay. Seriously, the cowardice of Kennedy nearly
caused a nuke war. The only person who actually will look good to
historians in this will be Krushev.

Not when it comes to Obama I guess.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
The President is Commander in Chief, those missiles in Turkey need
never have been deployed. Kennedy could have stopped it at any time
but he stupidly went along with it due to his own "missile gap"
rhetoric in the 1960 campaign. Furthermore, Kennedy knew there was no
missile gap as did Nixon (this had been revealed by direct photo-
reco). However, Nixon could not reveal there was no missile gap
without violating security. Thus, Kennedy had a hand in greatly
increasing the arms race. Another reason he went along with the
Turkey missiles is because he was afraid of Curtis Lemay who was truly
crazed. Lemay really did want a nuke war with the Soviets and he
thought Kennedy was a wimp.
So, Kennedy caused the Cuban Missile Crisis because he HAD NO COJONES
to stand up to Lemay. Seriously, the cowardice of Kennedy nearly
caused a nuke war. The only person who actually will look good to
historians in this will be Krushev.



--
Nom=de=Plume