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"Jordon" wrote in message ... JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. -- Jordon I think there may be one or two vets who'd like to share a chaw with Teddy. Well, the spit part, anyway. And you know, the number is probably higher than two. And yeah, I bet you'd really give those veterans a what for. Right before you got your ass kicked, that is. Steve |
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"J" wrote in message ... Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Give the guy credit for whatever amount of time he was willing to spend serving his country. I heard on one of the news wires it was more like 16 months. OMIGAWD, I'd rather spend four years in country with the LURPs in Nam than do sixteen months in France. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Steve |
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Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Ted Kennedy spent 47 years serving himself at a public trough. Steve |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. -- Nom=de=Plume Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count? Steve |
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"Jeem" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us and the worst of us. Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life... Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean? Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there. Nice response, dummy. Are you proud of yourself? The guy was a drunk and let a woman die. Only his head was "bigger than life". |
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Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote: Don White wrote: "Jeem" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com... A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us and the worst of us. Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life... Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean? Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there. Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of your comments. I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. It is unkind to speak ill of the dead but be consoled in the fact that he is no longer a burden on the taxpayer. This geezer should be joining his friend very soon... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rOZzpn1O3o |
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"U-joint Buster" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote: Don White wrote: "Jeem" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com... A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us and the worst of us. Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life... Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean? Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there. Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of your comments. I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative, he'd be forgiven, correct? Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it. I am sorry to hear that Krause has lost respect for you. That pains me more than the loss of Ted Kennedy. Maybe I spent too much time listening to him on C-Span. The story Tom told, about the graveside visits, was touching, But ... -- John H How many military funeral services do you go to Colonel Klink? We don't count golfing days. He's not a politician, dummy. |
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"JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Katie Ohara wrote: On Aug 26, 4:13 pm, Tim wrote: During election time, Sen. Ted Kennedy is the first one in the polling place . He draws the curtain shut, and is in there for a couple hours. One of the election judges asks another what's going on? Hey what's up with the Senator? I don't know. Well, go find out. OK. So a judge walks up to the booth to inqui "Excuse me Senator, are you OK?" "Yeah, whats the problem.?" "Well Senator, we're concerned that you've been in there for almost two hours.." "So? I'm just getting started." "Well Senator, I'm not trying to rush you, but there are others who need the booth to vote as well." Then the embarassed Senator said: "Vote? Oh my! I thought this was a Confessional!" All joking aside. Even though we're on the oposite sides of the isle, thank you for your long lasting service to the country Senator. You will be missed. If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave in the name of all those who died as a result of his corruption and misguided ideas. I would be neutral toward Jack Kennedy's grave, he was simply stupid. I have no feelings about Robert Kennedy. However, Ted is deserving of a special sort of contempt. Hey, maybe I can get arrested for spitting on his grave, that'd be cool. Now, if only Barney Frank would get Kaposi's sarcoma............ He's going to be buried in Arlington Cemetery. That's reason enough for me *not* to be buried there. Quantico National Cemetery is looking better and better. -- John H I think Arlington is for heros and those who went above & beyond the call of duty. What did you achieve in Vietnam... besides applying a little friendly fire to keep US troops on their toes. I don't think sucking on Uncle Sams teat is enough to earn a place for you. "I don't think"... You got that right, at least. Go paint the dog and walk the house, dummy. |
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"D 2" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Katie Ohara wrote: On Aug 26, 4:13 pm, Tim wrote: During election time, Sen. Ted Kennedy is the first one in the polling place . He draws the curtain shut, and is in there for a couple hours. One of the election judges asks another what's going on? Hey what's up with the Senator? I don't know. Well, go find out. OK. So a judge walks up to the booth to inqui "Excuse me Senator, are you OK?" "Yeah, whats the problem.?" "Well Senator, we're concerned that you've been in there for almost two hours.." "So? I'm just getting started." "Well Senator, I'm not trying to rush you, but there are others who need the booth to vote as well." Then the embarassed Senator said: "Vote? Oh my! I thought this was a Confessional!" All joking aside. Even though we're on the oposite sides of the isle, thank you for your long lasting service to the country Senator. You will be missed. If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave in the name of all those who died as a result of his corruption and misguided ideas. I would be neutral toward Jack Kennedy's grave, he was simply stupid. I have no feelings about Robert Kennedy. However, Ted is deserving of a special sort of contempt. Hey, maybe I can get arrested for spitting on his grave, that'd be cool. Now, if only Barney Frank would get Kaposi's sarcoma............ He's going to be buried in Arlington Cemetery. That's reason enough for me *not* to be buried there. Quantico National Cemetery is looking better and better. -- John H I think Arlington is for heros and those who went above & beyond the call of duty. What did you achieve in Vietnam... besides applying a little friendly fire to keep US troops on their toes. I don't think sucking on Uncle Sams teat is enough to earn a place for you. "I don't think"... You got that right, at least. Go paint the dog and walk the house, dummy. Paint this, DoggyBoy! |
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... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message . .. Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of criticism of Obama from the left. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines. There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am not among them. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others. I may stand corrected. If so, I apologize. You're much different from the pack. I accept your apology. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. Again, Bush is history. History, unfortunately, has a direct impact on our current situation. When Bush was first elected, I was shocked that someone like him was acceptable to 50% of the electorate. Despite my strong anger at the situation in Florida and the US Supreme Court vote, I accepted his legitimacy as president (well, reluctantly). I believed that he would mostly not do to much, especially since the enconomic climate was decent. I, and most Americans, supported him in the days and weeks after 9/11, but as the war in Iraq approached, and I began to suspect that we were being lied to, my attitude toward him as a fool with ok advisors changed to contempt and disgust. Before the last presidential campaign, I had a lot of respect for McCain. I thought he would run a decent, forthright (and of course partisan) effort to take the presidency, even though I thought he was probably too old and I disagreed with a lot of what he stood for both economically and socially. I am, after all, a liberal. It soon became obvious that he was unable to restrain the crazies, and when he picked Palin, I concluded that he had completely missed the boat. If he had picked a reasoned, responsible, intelligent woman, who happened to be right of center, he might have pulled it out. There's no doubt that the Palin pick generated momentum and interest. Talking with my friends, we thought he became pathetic toward the end. I, for one, felt sorry for him. Frankly, he scared me with his "maverick" moves... e.g., "suspending" his campaign. At this point, it's Obama's economy and Obama's two wars, but the historical detritious can't be swept under the rug, not if we're to move forward. I'm willing to give the Obama administration some time to sort things out. Not forever, but he deserves to be respected as the President, even if you disagree with his policies. We need civil discourse if we are to succeed as a people. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. -- Nom=de=Plume Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count? Steve Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs were hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example. It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it. Yet, it was gov't spending that did it. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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THISsamiamnot.com says... Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Oh nooooooooo!!! But really, if there are that many people around they will probably be busy cleaning up the feces from earlier visitors anyway... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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In article , jordon@REMOVE- THISsamiamnot.com says... Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Oh nooooooooo!!! But really, if there are that many people around they will probably be busy cleaning up the feces from earlier visitors anyway... It's not one of your weekend camping out sites, ****-for-brains. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. -- Nom=de=Plume Would doing the math on the deficit and spending count? Steve Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs were hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example. It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it. Yet, it was gov't spending that did it. -- Nom=de=Plume Wow. With our debt quadrupling every year, I see a dark and stormy night on the horizon. But I guess it's like Shopaholic Suzie .......... I got checks and the bank has money. What's the problem. How do you suggest we get the current crew up there to examine spending and see how we might get out of it? Steve |
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... A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. yeah, and he snuck into your house and took your money, and he killed your dog, and he sold military info to the Chinese (oh wait, that was Clinton), well then he got caught on tape taking a bribe (oh wait..) or he lied to congress and stated "the CIA lied" oh wait.... Oh well, guess that was all Bush's fault too... Again, Bush is history. So, what you're saying is that if someone else does something wrong, then it's ok for you to do something wrong. Now that's just wacked. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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... Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs were hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example. It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it. Yet, it was gov't spending that did it. Wow. With our debt quadrupling every year, I see a dark and stormy night on the horizon. But I guess it's like Shopaholic Suzie .......... I got checks and the bank has money. What's the problem. How do you suggest we get the current crew up there to examine spending and see how we might get out of it? Our debt accumulating every year... A dark and stormy night... perhaps. I guess we could go back to no gov't involvement, but I don't think anyone with any intelligence is really suggesting that. The Dark Ages weren't all that comfy, as I recall from the history books. I don't mind paying for things I might not use directly. I am my brother's keeper. Who would Jesus not cover with health insurance? Didn't He take the side of the poor, and wasn't He against the money changers? Or, was He for big business, and anything-goes capitalism? I think that the "crew" is acutely aware of the issues you raise... growing debt and potentional financial disaster. Heck, the boys in charge in the last administration knew they had to do something. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. I understand that. But John specifically said he would say something if someone spit on a veteran's grave. Hence my reply. |
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wf3h wrote: On Aug 27, 7:59 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: use of nuclear (for you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing AND then not support it once it was going? Pure Kennedy cowardice.- actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies. Do you understand the difference between planning and implementation?- do you understand the concept of national credibility? National Credibility. Is that when you put a guy in jail for life for murdering a couple of hundred people on an airplane but then let him out on compassionate reasons because he has terminal cancer and is going to die in three months? When did the U.S. do that? |
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NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If you're not a veteran, the only way you get into Arlington is walking through the front gate. You are missing the point. |
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NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If you're not a veteran, the only way you get into Arlington is walking through the front gate. Oh, and you're wrong. Veterans, their spouses and children can be buried there. |
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H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Your idea that his protracted death from cancer is comparable to a five minute drowning is ridiculous. Look up cancer treatment side effects, such as x-rays to the throat and never swallowing anything solid again. Some cancer victims have had the nurses getting high on their pain medicine while they did without. Casady Teddy Kennedy was an alcoholic, and it took him a long time and a good second marriage to get that disease under control. While an active drinker, he had a horrific automobile accident and in that an innocent young woman died. Teddy Kennedy should have owned up to what he had done wrong at the time he did it. But, he was a coward and went and hid behind his family and lawyers. Teddy should have served time in prison. But that was only one of the albatrosses around Kennedy's neck. One of his brothers died in World War II, and two were assassinated while in the service of their country. There are other members of his immediate family who suffer or suffered from various serious illnesses. Sounds like a normal family with the exception of the assinations. However, when you put yourself in the public eye and make as many enemies as papa Joseph Kennedy bad things are bound to happen. Despite all this, Teddy Kennedy was the *leading* legislator in the United States Senate, and he was a great humanitarian, a loyal friend, and a wonderfully decent man. Decent? Killing MaryJo Kopechne and makeing watress sandwiches at DC bars with Sen. Chris Dodd? Oh, and let's not forget about that incident in southern Florida with his nephew. He may have been trying to atone for his sins but, he was hardly decent. I didn't know him at all, though I did get to meet him at a couple of holiday parties in the early 2000's...where he had nothing to drink, and we did nod at each other when he was out walking his dogs. His walks would often take him to an office building near Union Station where I worked as a consultant. He had many old friends who worked in that building, and in the late afternoon, he'd stop by sometimes to see them and, I would guess, to visit the men's room. You happened to see Teddy at a party and he didn't have a drink in your presence and that is supposed to impress us? Oh, and he nodded at you when he walked his dogs. Wow, you almost had me switch political parties on that one but, I came to my senses. The twerps who are raving against Kennedy here are nothing more than the sort of vermin you'd see crawling in the dirt if you lifted up a rotting log. The really funny thing is that there are *no* high-quality or even memorable U.S. senators on their side of the political fence. Your view of the Senate is through a jaundiced eye. Hehehehe!!! More lies from Harry!!!! |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of criticism of Obama from the left. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines. There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am not among them. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others. I may stand corrected. If so, I apologize. You're much different from the pack. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. Again, Bush is history. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson So everything in history gets erased? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message ... Sure. They count. It's worth having a discussion about how to pay for what we need/want. It's actually pretty hard to do the math, since there are so many different ways of adding things up. In the past, many of the costs were hidden and/or pulled out of the budget, for example. It's easy to say, we're running huge deficits and spending tons of money without examining why and what we might get out of it. For example, if you want to claim (falsely I believe) that FDR's social programs were not what got us out of the Depression, then what did? Some say, with some justification that massive military spending as a prelude to WWII did it. Yet, it was gov't spending that did it. Wow. With our debt quadrupling every year, I see a dark and stormy night on the horizon. But I guess it's like Shopaholic Suzie .......... I got checks and the bank has money. What's the problem. How do you suggest we get the current crew up there to examine spending and see how we might get out of it? Our debt accumulating every year... A dark and stormy night... perhaps. I guess we could go back to no gov't involvement, but I don't think anyone with any intelligence is really suggesting that. The Dark Ages weren't all that comfy, as I recall from the history books. I don't mind paying for things I might not use directly. I am my brother's keeper. Who would Jesus not cover with health insurance? Didn't He take the side of the poor, and wasn't He against the money changers? Or, was He for big business, and anything-goes capitalism? I think that the "crew" is acutely aware of the issues you raise... growing debt and potentional financial disaster. Heck, the boys in charge in the last administration knew they had to do something. -- Nom=de=Plume I have been a registered libertarian all my voting life. I guess I'm one of those who doesn't have any real intelligence because I think government's role should be minimal as stated in the Constitution. Now they have taken "regulate commerce" to mean any time a dollar changes hands in the us, they want their juice. And to get into all things and businesses that they should have never been allowed to incrementally infest. The boys on the hill know what's up. Always have. They just want their cut, and to bring some back to the pack, like wild dogs. It's just now that there's a feeding frenzy as the trough dries up to plunder whatever is left, and that is getting thin. steve |
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:51:56 -0400, NotNow wrote:
The Fish wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of criticism of Obama from the left. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines. There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am not among them. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others. I may stand corrected. If so, I apologize. You're much different from the pack. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. Again, Bush is history. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson So everything in history gets erased? Using Bush's actions to legitimize Obama's actions is somewhat stupid. No, it's really stupid. Here is an example of a stupid comment: "So everything in history gets erased?" -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. I love it when the dim bulbs here tell us what the Bush Rational was, when all they are really doing is spewing fourth an uninformed fairytale of how they want things to be... Do tell. Just how DO I want things to be? Well, my words failed me. What I was referring to was the constang "Repubs think this, or repubs want that..." Most times suggesting that we are intentionally lying or stupid... It's old.. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. I love it when the dim bulbs here tell us what the Bush Rational was, when all they are really doing is spewing fourth an uninformed fairytale of how they want things to be... Do tell. Just how DO I want things to be? Well, my words failed me. What I was referring to was the constang "Repubs think this, or repubs want that..." Most times suggesting that we are intentionally lying or stupid... It's old.. A. Republicans don't think. B. You do nothing here but lie and act stupid. |
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SteveB wrote:
"Jordon" wrote JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And yeah, I bet you'd really give those veterans a what for. Right before you got your ass kicked, that is. Contemplating the winner of a confrontation before knowing anything about the combatants is a fools bet. And since you're betting, I guess we know what that makes you, eh? |
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Jordon wrote:
SteveB wrote: "Jordon" wrote JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And yeah, I bet you'd really give those veterans a what for. Right before you got your ass kicked, that is. Contemplating the winner of a confrontation before knowing anything about the combatants is a fools bet. And since you're betting, I guess we know what that makes you, eh? Most of the "vets" who post here are decades past their physical prime, if they ever had one. Several will be taking a dirt nap in the not too distant future. Several of the younger ones are stupid enough to punch themselves in the nose in a fistfight. I'm old and creaky myself, which is why I wouldn't depend upon my fists in a fight, although I am sure I could handle two of the younger non-vets here, Loogy and JustHate, by banging their heads together. |
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"John H." wrote in message
... Using Bush's actions to legitimize Obama's actions is somewhat stupid. No, it's really stupid. Here is an example of a stupid comment: "So everything in history gets erased?" I absolutely agree with the first sentence. I don't know if the second quoted comment is stupid or ill-informed. Orwell had an interesting take on history... "Those who control the present control the past." From this we certainly need to be wary. I support Obama and his policies, but no one gets a free ride and the present administration must be held to the same high standards that we would hold those from the past - no revisionist history need apply. Just as those who "forget the past are doomed to repeat it," we need to ensure that the past is accurate. Bottom line, the facts and the lies need to be exposed to sunlight. -- Nom=de=Plume |
Edward "Ted" Kennedy gone...
nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... Using Bush's actions to legitimize Obama's actions is somewhat stupid. No, it's really stupid. Here is an example of a stupid comment: "So everything in history gets erased?" I absolutely agree with the first sentence. I don't know if the second quoted comment is stupid or ill-informed. Orwell had an interesting take on history... "Those who control the present control the past." From this we certainly need to be wary. I support Obama and his policies, but no one gets a free ride and the present administration must be held to the same high standards that we would hold those from the past - no revisionist history need apply. Just as those who "forget the past are doomed to repeat it," we need to ensure that the past is accurate. Bottom line, the facts and the lies need to be exposed to sunlight. If we hold the Obama Admin to the same standards as the Bush Admin, we'll be holding it to no standards at all. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message
... Well, my words failed me. What I was referring to was the constang "Repubs think this, or repubs want that..." Most times suggesting that we are intentionally lying or stupid... It's old.. I agree with this. However, it works both ways. We (liberals of which I am one) are contantly hearing the same things... we think this or we want that. Comes right back to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." -- Nom=de=Plume |
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