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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: There are very few people who we can say the world would have been better if they were not born but Ted Kennedy was one of them. Very few? What planet do you live on? Don't get me wrong, the Kennedy's were three generations of assholes. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Your idea that his protracted death from cancer is comparable to a five minute drowning is ridiculous. Look up cancer treatment side effects, such as x-rays to the throat and never swallowing anything solid again. Some cancer victims have had the nurses getting high on their pain medicine while they did without. Casady Teddy Kennedy was an alcoholic, and it took him a long time and a good second marriage to get that disease under control. While an active drinker, he had a horrific automobile accident and in that an innocent young woman died. But that was only one of the albatrosses around Kennedy's neck. One of his brothers died in World War II, and two were assassinated while in the service of their country. There are other members of his immediate family who suffer or suffered from various serious illnesses. Despite all this, Teddy Kennedy was the *leading* legislator in the United States Senate, and he was a great humanitarian, a loyal friend, and a wonderfully decent man. I didn't know him at all, though I did get to meet him at a couple of holiday parties in the early 2000's...where he had nothing to drink, and we did nod at each other when he was out walking his dogs. His walks would often take him to an office building near Union Station where I worked as a consultant. He had many old friends who worked in that building, and in the late afternoon, he'd stop by sometimes to see them and, I would guess, to visit the men's room. The twerps who are raving against Kennedy here are nothing more than the sort of vermin you'd see crawling in the dirt if you lifted up a rotting log. The really funny thing is that there are *no* high-quality or even memorable U.S. senators on their side of the political fence. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:55:59 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:41:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:12:04 -0400, NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote: Don White wrote: "Jeem" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com... A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us and the worst of us. Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life... Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean? Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there. Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of your comments. I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative, he'd be forgiven, correct? Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it. Every Democrat is a hypocrite??? I agree, Loogy. -- John H Reverse Harryanism at it's best...... Don't know. I was just agreeing with you. -- John H You know, sometimes your acting as if you're stupid gets a little old. Did you even happen to notice the question mark????? You know, sometimes your 'reverse Harryanism' gets old. But we put up with it 'cause we know what you're going through. I'd feel badly also. Damn, if I disagree with you, you're ****ed. If I agree with you, you're ****ed. Hell, I give up. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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Katie Ohara wrote:
If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. -- Jordon |
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Jordon wrote:
Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. O'Hara wouldn't be able to find arlington cemetery without a freebie map from a diner, and he'd need a visa and a green card, because the DC area already has its quota of racist crackers. |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:55:59 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:41:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:12:04 -0400, NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 10:28 am, NotNow wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Jeem wrote: Don White wrote: "Jeem" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:8e3a9515gm7dvj44salce1g4o7k5ko7uga@4ax .com... A true American - he knew tragedy and triumph, he was the best of us and the worst of us. Hard to believe... the Kennedys always seemed bigger than life... Hard to believe? What's that supposed to mean? Stick your head up your ass... the answer is there. Don't get all huffy Donny. It is often difficult to make sense out of your comments. I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Of course, he's a liberal. I'm betting that if he was a conservative, he'd be forgiven, correct? Nobody forgives Ted Stevens (Rep. AK) for his corruption. We all consider the Rep. Governor of SC to be a joke. As your charge of hypocrisy is baseless, I think that you have made the charge because you know that Dems are hypocrites and you accept it. Every Democrat is a hypocrite??? I agree, Loogy. -- John H Reverse Harryanism at it's best...... Don't know. I was just agreeing with you. -- John H You know, sometimes your acting as if you're stupid gets a little old. Did you even happen to notice the question mark????? You know, sometimes your 'reverse Harryanism' gets old. But we put up with it 'cause we know what you're going through. I'd feel badly also. Damn, if I disagree with you, you're ****ed. If I agree with you, you're ****ed. Hell, I give up. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson How can you agree, it was a ****ing QUESTION and you know it. Like I said, that bull**** gets old fast. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon
wrote: Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon wrote: Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. -- John H You don't think an ordinary citizen, perhaps someone visiting the grave of a brave relative or comrade would do something to someone spitting on graves? I damned sure would. |
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"JLH" wrote in message
... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. -- Jordon |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. But you fail to realize. In most conservative's eyes, that's all just peachy and great because Bush was a Republican! |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:10:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon wrote: Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. -- John H You don't think an ordinary citizen, perhaps someone visiting the grave of a brave relative or comrade would do something to someone spitting on graves? I damned sure would. Ordinarily, an ordinary citizen might say something, especially if someone spit on a soldier's grave. But, Ted Kennedy's? Doubtful. Besides, there are lots of times when no one is around. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:10:32 -0700, Jordon
wrote: JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:21:10 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "JLH" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:15:25 -0400, NotNow wrote:
nom=de=plume wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. But you fail to realize. In most conservative's eyes, that's all just peachy and great because Bush was a Republican! OK, I'll agree with you again. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:10:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon wrote: Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. -- John H You don't think an ordinary citizen, perhaps someone visiting the grave of a brave relative or comrade would do something to someone spitting on graves? I damned sure would. Ordinarily, an ordinary citizen might say something, especially if someone spit on a soldier's grave. But, Ted Kennedy's? Doubtful. Besides, there are lots of times when no one is around. -- John H There's where, thankfully, you and I differ. I would say something anytime anyone spit on anyone's grave. |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:10:32 -0700, Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- John H So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? |
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JLH wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:15:25 -0400, NotNow wrote: nom=de=plume wrote: "JLH" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:00:28 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: There's no excuse. Just because one person does something horrible, that doesn't make it ok for others. Well...I guess we won't be hearing any more of the 'Bush Rationale'. Loogy, w3fh, jps, Harry,---- are you watching? Ole plum guy made a great point. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. Bush was in power for almost a decade. Obama has been in power for 3/4 of a year. It's kind of hard to equate the two in any rational way. But you fail to realize. In most conservative's eyes, that's all just peachy and great because Bush was a Republican! OK, I'll agree with you again. -- John H Good because it's a true statement. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote:
So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. |
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wf3h wrote:
On Aug 27, 7:59 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: use of nuclear (for you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing AND then not support it once it was going? Pure Kennedy cowardice.- actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies. Do you understand the difference between planning and implementation?- do you understand the concept of national credibility? National Credibility. Is that when you put a guy in jail for life for murdering a couple of hundred people on an airplane but then let him out on compassionate reasons because he has terminal cancer and is going to die in three months? |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. |
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Lu Powell wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Give the guy credit for whatever amount of time he was willing to spend serving his country. I heard on one of the news wires it was more like 16 months. |
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Lu Powell wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." |
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NotNow wrote:
JLH wrote: Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If you're not a veteran, the only way you get into Arlington is walking through the front gate. -- Jordon |
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H the K wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Your idea that his protracted death from cancer is comparable to a five minute drowning is ridiculous. Look up cancer treatment side effects, such as x-rays to the throat and never swallowing anything solid again. Some cancer victims have had the nurses getting high on their pain medicine while they did without. Casady Teddy Kennedy was an alcoholic, and it took him a long time and a good second marriage to get that disease under control. While an active drinker, he had a horrific automobile accident and in that an innocent young woman died. Teddy Kennedy should have owned up to what he had done wrong at the time he did it. But, he was a coward and went and hid behind his family and lawyers. Teddy should have served time in prison. But that was only one of the albatrosses around Kennedy's neck. One of his brothers died in World War II, and two were assassinated while in the service of their country. There are other members of his immediate family who suffer or suffered from various serious illnesses. Sounds like a normal family with the exception of the assinations. However, when you put yourself in the public eye and make as many enemies as papa Joseph Kennedy bad things are bound to happen. Despite all this, Teddy Kennedy was the *leading* legislator in the United States Senate, and he was a great humanitarian, a loyal friend, and a wonderfully decent man. Decent? Killing MaryJo Kopechne and makeing watress sandwiches at DC bars with Sen. Chris Dodd? Oh, and let's not forget about that incident in southern Florida with his nephew. He may have been trying to atone for his sins but, he was hardly decent. I didn't know him at all, though I did get to meet him at a couple of holiday parties in the early 2000's...where he had nothing to drink, and we did nod at each other when he was out walking his dogs. His walks would often take him to an office building near Union Station where I worked as a consultant. He had many old friends who worked in that building, and in the late afternoon, he'd stop by sometimes to see them and, I would guess, to visit the men's room. You happened to see Teddy at a party and he didn't have a drink in your presence and that is supposed to impress us? Oh, and he nodded at you when he walked his dogs. Wow, you almost had me switch political parties on that one but, I came to my senses. The twerps who are raving against Kennedy here are nothing more than the sort of vermin you'd see crawling in the dirt if you lifted up a rotting log. The really funny thing is that there are *no* high-quality or even memorable U.S. senators on their side of the political fence. Your view of the Senate is through a jaundiced eye. |
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H K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Kennedy should have spent 39 years serving time in the Mass. State Pen. |
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Jordon wrote:
NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If you're not a veteran, the only way you get into Arlington is walking through the front gate. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/eligib.htm |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... H K wrote: Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Kennedy should have spent 39 years serving time in the Mass. State Pen. Amen to serving time. As usual, Harry attacks the messengers while ignoring the corrupt lberaltards' misdeeds. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:10:32 -0700, Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:40:21 -0700, Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- John H So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If it had been your daughter you'd still be singing his praises. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:07:15 -0400, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: I consider it an insult to be lumped in with a coward like Ted Kennedy. I hope he suffered no more and no less than Miss Kopechne and I hope his hypocrisy is judged fairly in any afterlife. Your idea that his protracted death from cancer is comparable to a five minute drowning is ridiculous. Look up cancer treatment side effects, such as x-rays to the throat and never swallowing anything solid again. Some cancer victims have had the nurses getting high on their pain medicine while they did without. Casady Teddy Kennedy was an alcoholic, and it took him a long time and a good second marriage to get that disease under control. While an active drinker, he had a horrific automobile accident and in that an innocent young woman died. Teddy Kennedy should have owned up to what he had done wrong at the time he did it. But, he was a coward and went and hid behind his family and lawyers. Teddy should have served time in prison. But that was only one of the albatrosses around Kennedy's neck. One of his brothers died in World War II, and two were assassinated while in the service of their country. There are other members of his immediate family who suffer or suffered from various serious illnesses. Sounds like a normal family with the exception of the assinations. However, when you put yourself in the public eye and make as many enemies as papa Joseph Kennedy bad things are bound to happen. Despite all this, Teddy Kennedy was the *leading* legislator in the United States Senate, and he was a great humanitarian, a loyal friend, and a wonderfully decent man. Decent? Killing MaryJo Kopechne and makeing watress sandwiches at DC bars with Sen. Chris Dodd? Oh, and let's not forget about that incident in southern Florida with his nephew. He may have been trying to atone for his sins but, he was hardly decent. I didn't know him at all, though I did get to meet him at a couple of holiday parties in the early 2000's...where he had nothing to drink, and we did nod at each other when he was out walking his dogs. His walks would often take him to an office building near Union Station where I worked as a consultant. He had many old friends who worked in that building, and in the late afternoon, he'd stop by sometimes to see them and, I would guess, to visit the men's room. You happened to see Teddy at a party and he didn't have a drink in your presence and that is supposed to impress us? Oh, and he nodded at you when he walked his dogs. Wow, you almost had me switch political parties on that one but, I came to my senses. The twerps who are raving against Kennedy here are nothing more than the sort of vermin you'd see crawling in the dirt if you lifted up a rotting log. The really funny thing is that there are *no* high-quality or even memorable U.S. senators on their side of the political fence. Your view of the Senate is through a jaundiced eye. I wonder who he was meeting in the men's room? -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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BAR wrote:
Jordon wrote: NotNow wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon wrote: JLH wrote: Jordon Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. Guards do not patrol the cemetery. Only the tomb of the unknown soldier is guarded. There may be people walking around, but not to enforce appropriate behavior. I'm well aware of the type of people you find at Arlington and I wasn't talking about guards. I was talking about all the living veterans that are there visiting that would not take too kindly to someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran. I was not in the military but I have been to Arlington. I'm not a religious guy but it was probably the closest thing to a "religious experience" that I've ever had, and if I saw someone spitting on the grave of a veteran, no matter their political affiliation, at the very least, there would be words exchanged. And I feel the same way. But, Arlington is seldom crowded, and there are many times when no one is around or is watching. If I saw someone spitting on the grave of a fellow veteran, I'd react like you would. Ted Kennedy? -- So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? If you're not a veteran, the only way you get into Arlington is walking through the front gate. http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/eligib.htm I stand corrected. -- Jordon |
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Lu Powell wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message ... H K wrote: Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Kennedy should have spent 39 years serving time in the Mass. State Pen. Amen to serving time. As usual, Harry attacks the messengers while ignoring the corrupt lberaltards' misdeeds. Told you before, I don't take right-wing trash posters like you seriously. You'd think that after being told that directly at least a dozen times, you'd get it. |
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H K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H K wrote: Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Kennedy should have spent 39 years serving time in the Mass. State Pen. Amen to serving time. As usual, Harry attacks the messengers while ignoring the corrupt lberaltards' misdeeds. Told you before, I don't take right-wing trash posters like you seriously. You'd think that after being told that directly at least a dozen times, you'd get it. Psssst Harry. I don't think he's paying much attention to you. He's probably like the rest of us who just skim over your babble looking for something to taunt you with. It's something that doesn't take much effort but it's very rewarding. |
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H K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H K wrote: Lu Powell wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:29 -0400, NotNow wrote: So if there not a veteran, it's fair game? Ted Kennedy was a veteran. Well, sort of. Right after he was expelled from Harvard for cheating, he enlisted for four years, then got the old man to get his hitch shortened to two. While most Army recruits were headed to Korea and other hot spots, Kennedy went to France. After two years service, he was still a Private. Kennedy spent 47 years serving his country in the U.S. Senate. You left that Carolina PD after a few years. And your departure was "sudden." Kennedy should have spent 39 years serving time in the Mass. State Pen. Amen to serving time. As usual, Harry attacks the messengers while ignoring the corrupt lberaltards' misdeeds. Told you before, I don't take right-wing trash posters like you seriously. You'd think that after being told that directly at least a dozen times, you'd get it. More oral effluent from Krause. |
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On Aug 27, 4:01*pm, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 27, 7:59 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: use of nuclear (for you right wingers, that's 'nukular') missiles And the Bay of Pigs, what kind of moron would agree to such a thing AND then not support it once it was going? *Pure Kennedy cowardice..- actually it was stupidity. the cuban missile crisis showed that kennedy had the cojones to go toe to toe with the russkies. Do you understand the difference between planning and implementation?- do you understand the concept of national credibility? National Credibility. Is that when you put a guy in jail for life for murdering a couple of hundred people on an airplane but then let him out on compassionate reasons because he has terminal cancer and is going to die in three months? only robert ballard can answer that. |
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"JLH" wrote in message
... Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of criticism of Obama from the left. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines. There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am not among them. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. since Bush's "rationale" was based on a twisted notion of religion mixed with failed economics and fear-stoking actions. If you'd like to debate things that Obama has done or not done that are good or not good for the country, and you're willing to actually cite verifiable facts, there's room for discussion. There are plenty of facts from Bush's 8 years worthy of debate, including some things that might be construed as "good" for America (in my opinion of course). A quick example is the African AIDS program (except for the insertion of "abstinance" requirements). There are a plethora of facts/decisions he and his admin made that were terrible (my opinion and the demonstrable results)... no need to repeat them, as I'm sure we're all familar with them. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Jordon wrote:
Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. I have an all access pass to Arlington National Cemetery. I will ensure that Teddy's grave is appropriately watered. |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:24:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "JLH" wrote in message .. . Not sure what you mean by the Bush Rationale, Since you'e speaking nicely... The 'Bush Rationale' is the reason many liberals provide for any negative critique of an Obama action. I believe that is from a right-wing talking point. There's no shortage of criticism of Obama from the left. For example, "You didn't say anything when Bush did it." Or, "Bush did it, so it's OK if Obama does it too." Hopefully you get the idea. And, as I've said, I'm willing and able to call Obama on crap that's either a hold-over from the Bush years or newly implemented along the same lines. There are very few people who believe that Obama is perfect, I certainly am not among them. As I've said before, for you guys - yourself, w3fh, Harry, etc. - a 'debate' consists of personal insults and name-calling. I absolutely reject that line of reasoning or implication. I don't engage in such behavior. Feel free to show otherwise. I can't speak for others. I may stand corrected. If so, I apologize. You're much different from the pack. And, for the record, Bush may have screwed up a few things during his eight year tenure. But, Bush is gone. Obama is trying damn hard to catch up in his first 3/4 of a year. A few things???? Yeah, a few things like a war of choice and a war of necessity, like ruining the economy, like taking approximately 1/3 of his time in office as vacation, like lying to the American public, like spying on Americans, like engaging in intense cronyism, like promoting and condoning torture, and on and on and on. Again, Bush is history. -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:15:05 -0400, BAR wrote:
Jordon wrote: Katie Ohara wrote: If I am ever in MA, I will make a real attempt to spit on his grave Spit on anyones grave in Arlington Cemetery (which is where he's going) and I'm sure there will be plenty of people around that will make sure that you see the error of your ways. I have an all access pass to Arlington National Cemetery. I will ensure that Teddy's grave is appropriately watered. LOL! -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch wrote: There are very few people who we can say the world would have been better if they were not born but Ted Kennedy was one of them. Very few? What planet do you live on? Don't get me wrong, the Kennedy's were three generations of assholes. Casady Make that "rich assholes who pandered to the poor to get power." And we won't even talk about old Joe, who was a garden variety (but very wealthy) bootlegger, just because he smuggled good Scotch whisky to his moneyed friends instead of the regular swill. Reminiscent of The Godfather, but Joe's sons did go on to make it into office, unlike Vito's. "Anyone who preaches to poor people in a $300 suit is a hustler." - Lenny Bruce - (Back when $300 was a lot to spend for a suit.) Steve |
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