On Aug 25, 11:27*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:17:28 -0400, Keith Nuttle



wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:27:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

The IRS has long had the capacity, under the beneficent oversight of
our glorious lawmakers, to make criminals of innocent citizens. *This
is why a national sales tax as opposed to a personal income tax is an
imperative. *Having owned a manufactuing concern for a number of
years, I'm all too well aware of the unwarranted burden the government
has put on small business and the individual through the vehicle of an
indifferent government agency. *It's a repugnant oppression of the
individual, and the "compassionate" Left wants to enhance our
individual tax experience. *The IRS should be dismantled if for no
other reason than to take it out of the hands of the politician as a
conveniently persistent political issue. *Whatever happened to that
country of liberty that our founding fathers fought so hard to create?

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Do you actually believe it will be an either or situation? *If the
Obamadytes get a national sales tax they will give up the income tax?

That is exactly the argument made in Indiana in the 1966, when a 2%
sales tax was approve. *In return the personal property tax on auto was
eliminated. *HOWEVER with in a couple of years auto were again subject
to a high tax with a different name.

Net results Indiana now has a 7% sales tax and you pay several time the
what you use to pay for the personal property tax on your auto (based on
the price of the auto) to get it licensed.

What I wrote was what I believe to be a necessary alternative to the
current tax structure. *I know intuitively that our government will
never surrender or dramatically overhaul the tax system as it stands.
It's too convenient of a tool and a weapon for our politicians, for
those that are proponents of expanded government and those that
aren't.

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Here is more about the lefts attempts to actively destroy the economic
engine so as to force us into socialism:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/19/fac...ve-forbes.html
Destroy Venture Capital and you destroy any chance of a new Google or
Apple, etc. Sooner or later, everybody will have to work for the govt.

On Aug 25, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 10:27*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21*am, Frogwatch wrote:

Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...

I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place

further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.

Ad hominem argument.


said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 10:27 am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.
first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place
further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.
Ad hominem argument.


said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

The WSJ, Forbes, Investors...et cetera, all push the extreme right wing
position at all times.

On Aug 25, 12:35*pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:27 am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.
first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place
further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.
Ad hominem argument.

said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

The WSJ, Forbes, Investors...et cetera, all push the extreme right wing
position at all times.

Meanwhile, Obama gives $2 billion to an oil company in Brazil whose
main shareholder is ..........George Soros. This is while the Dems
forbid offshore drilling here.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 10:27*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21*am, Frogwatch wrote:

Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...

I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place

further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.

Ad hominem argument.


said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

The circumstantial ad hominem is an informal fallacy and does not
serve as a valid refutation of the argument.

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On Aug 25, 12:58*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:27*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21*am, Frogwatch wrote:

Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...

I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place

further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.

Ad hominem argument.

said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

The circumstantial ad hominem is an informal fallacy and does not
serve as a valid refutation of the argument.


IOW he's never heard of the 'wall street journal', doesn't read it and
doesn't know its politcal orientation

sheesh. how much education do these guys NEED?

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:27 am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:17:28 -0400, Keith Nuttle



wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:27:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.
The IRS has long had the capacity, under the beneficent oversight of
our glorious lawmakers, to make criminals of innocent citizens. This
is why a national sales tax as opposed to a personal income tax is an
imperative. Having owned a manufactuing concern for a number of
years, I'm all too well aware of the unwarranted burden the government
has put on small business and the individual through the vehicle of an
indifferent government agency. It's a repugnant oppression of the
individual, and the "compassionate" Left wants to enhance our
individual tax experience. The IRS should be dismantled if for no
other reason than to take it out of the hands of the politician as a
conveniently persistent political issue. Whatever happened to that
country of liberty that our founding fathers fought so hard to create?
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Do you actually believe it will be an either or situation? If the
Obamadytes get a national sales tax they will give up the income tax?
That is exactly the argument made in Indiana in the 1966, when a 2%
sales tax was approve. In return the personal property tax on auto was
eliminated. HOWEVER with in a couple of years auto were again subject
to a high tax with a different name.
Net results Indiana now has a 7% sales tax and you pay several time the
what you use to pay for the personal property tax on your auto (based on
the price of the auto) to get it licensed.
What I wrote was what I believe to be a necessary alternative to the
current tax structure. I know intuitively that our government will
never surrender or dramatically overhaul the tax system as it stands.
It's too convenient of a tool and a weapon for our politicians, for
those that are proponents of expanded government and those that
aren't.

--
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Here is more about the lefts attempts to actively destroy the economic
engine so as to force us into socialism:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/19/fac...ve-forbes.html
Destroy Venture Capital and you destroy any chance of a new Google or
Apple, etc. Sooner or later, everybody will have to work for the govt.

Yes, and don't forget, we want to kill your elderly with a death panel,
make devil worship the official religion, let all criminals go free,
lock up all Christians, destroy families, and kill work ethic, and on
and on and friggin on......

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:21:09 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 25, 11:27*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:17:28 -0400, Keith Nuttle



wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:27:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

The IRS has long had the capacity, under the beneficent oversight of
our glorious lawmakers, to make criminals of innocent citizens. *This
is why a national sales tax as opposed to a personal income tax is an
imperative. *Having owned a manufactuing concern for a number of
years, I'm all too well aware of the unwarranted burden the government
has put on small business and the individual through the vehicle of an
indifferent government agency. *It's a repugnant oppression of the
individual, and the "compassionate" Left wants to enhance our
individual tax experience. *The IRS should be dismantled if for no
other reason than to take it out of the hands of the politician as a
conveniently persistent political issue. *Whatever happened to that
country of liberty that our founding fathers fought so hard to create?

--
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Do you actually believe it will be an either or situation? *If the
Obamadytes get a national sales tax they will give up the income tax?

That is exactly the argument made in Indiana in the 1966, when a 2%
sales tax was approve. *In return the personal property tax on auto was
eliminated. *HOWEVER with in a couple of years auto were again subject
to a high tax with a different name.

Net results Indiana now has a 7% sales tax and you pay several time the
what you use to pay for the personal property tax on your auto (based on
the price of the auto) to get it licensed.

What I wrote was what I believe to be a necessary alternative to the
current tax structure. *I know intuitively that our government will
never surrender or dramatically overhaul the tax system as it stands.
It's too convenient of a tool and a weapon for our politicians, for
those that are proponents of expanded government and those that
aren't.

--
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Here is more about the lefts attempts to actively destroy the economic
engine so as to force us into socialism:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/19/fac...ve-forbes.html
Destroy Venture Capital and you destroy any chance of a new Google or
Apple, etc. Sooner or later, everybody will have to work for the govt.

He's an enlightened opinion piece from the WSJ. It's a good read.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...468452872.html

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 12:58*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:23:45 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 11:13*am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 10:27*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21*am, Frogwatch wrote:

Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...

I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. *If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. *I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.

first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place

further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.

Ad hominem argument.

said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.

hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.

The circumstantial ad hominem is an informal fallacy and does not
serve as a valid refutation of the argument.


IOW he's never heard of the 'wall street journal', doesn't read it and
doesn't know its politcal orientation

sheesh. how much education do these guys NEED?

IOW, you're a poor thinker.

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Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 12:35 pm, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 25, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:27 am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:21 am, Frogwatch wrote:
Are you sure you want a bill with this provision to pass?http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57435888264288...
I do not think including this was an accident but was intentional. If
this passes, ALL small businesses, the driver of our economy will be
forced to close because we all make mistakes and will be fined the
maximum amount. I believe this inclusion was intentional to destroy
the US economy and force us into socialism.
Kinda seems to be a whiff of blood and gunpowder in the air but I
cannot find the source.
first of all, the WSJ is hardly an objective source. it's a cheering
section for the folks who got us into this mess in the first place
further, it's their goal to oppose ANY provisions which level the
playing field in favor of the middle class. one person has called the
"WSJ" 'quaintly reactionary'. and it is.
Ad hominem argument.
said the only man in america who doesn't know the political
orientation of the WSJ.
hint: it aint the 'pennysaver'.
The WSJ, Forbes, Investors...et cetera, all push the extreme right wing
position at all times.

Meanwhile, Obama gives $2 billion to an oil company in Brazil whose
main shareholder is ..........George Soros. This is while the Dems
forbid offshore drilling here.

It's far from the quick fix some on the right think it is, nor is it a
guarantee of oil independency