On Aug 25, 7:58*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 4:32*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 7:32*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35*pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------

guess he's unhappy now that bush is *no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed

Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--

ever hear of 9/11?

oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.

well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.

Yes, I've heard of 9/11.

Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--

the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?

And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.

Remember?

These guys: (from Wikipedia)

Al-Qaeda, alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida,
(Arabic: ????????; al-qa-?idah; translation: The Base) is an Islamist
group founded sometime between August 1988[5] and late 1989/early
1990.[6] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational,
stateless arm[7] and a fundamentalist Sunni movement calling for
Jihadi international .

Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various
countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001.
These actions were followed by the US government launching the War on
Terrorism. As of 2009, the group is believed to have between 200 and
300 members.[8]

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous-

John,

The title of this thread is "Back in the USSR", and when wf3h failed
to grasp the concept of my comparing the HIG to the KGB, I realized I
was attempting to engage in debate with an unarmed man.

He rides the short bus. Leave him be.

On Aug 25, 5:01*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."

Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? *And
then place it under the control of the White House?

Don't have a conclusive answer, but I have heard time and time again
that the FBI has the most productive interrogation techniques of any
agency, and the CIA can't hold a candle to them. *No expertise.

That may be true, but the FBI's results are far more public than the
CIA's. Since they are rivals and government agencies, we mere mortals
only hear what we are allowed to hear.

As far as bureaucracy, I've heard that all the outsourcing done in the
last 15 or so years just adds layers, and costs.
Couldn't believe the Army can't cook for itself, and Blackwater gets
hired for that at much more cost.
I'd like to see some cost numbers on what the CIA paid its contracted
"interrogators" versus what it would cost the FBI to do it.

All that is nice, but has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
We're not talking about outsourcing, we're talking about the current
admin creating a new agency, directly under its control, with the
supposed agenda of gathering high value intel. According to you, the
FBI is already capable of this, and with some marching orders they can
do it. No outsourcing involved.

What are we not being told? Why the new agency, with direct report to
the White House? This smells, and you know it.

On Aug 25, 9:19*pm, Jack wrote:
On Aug 25, 7:58*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:


the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?

And all along I thought it was al-Qaeda who attacked us, with Osama
bin Laden as the leader of the group.

Remember?

These guys: (from Wikipedia)

Have you ever noticed how most liberals feel they must resort to
personal insults and name-calling during any discussion?
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous-

John,

The title of this thread is "Back in the USSR", and when wf3h failed
to grasp the concept of my comparing the HIG to the KGB, I realized I
was attempting to engage in debate with an unarmed man.

He rides the short bus. *Leave him be.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

what i grasped was that counting to 3 is your big accomplishment for
the year

my hearty and sincere congratulations to you and your family.

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?
My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion with
those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the mirror.
That's what I'm saying.
It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?


So, basically, you have nothing to say, except to attack those with whom you
disagree. Got it!


--
Nom=de=Plume

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
...
You are correct, of course. He, wf3h, and Loogy seem to be sharing
notes.


AKA thinking.

--
Nom=de=Plume

In article ,
says...

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?

Again with this... "I heard it on MSNBC so it must be true for
everyone" attitude... So a couple of disgruntled Generals spewed off,
bit frekin' deal..

--
Wafa free since 2009

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:53 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?

Loogy, if I knew what 'mess' Bush left in Afghanistan, and If Obama
would be specific about what he is 'cleaning up', then I wouldn't have
the question.

Do you realize that you, et al, have provided umpteen responses, none
of which provide any more of an answer than 'clean up the mess'.

What 'mess' did Bush leave?

Well, there's all those schools, with girls in them! There's at least a
government elected by the people in the Capital city, they have leaders
who can be brought to a table... They have a national economy "that is
legal" and many more options than they had before we went in... For
****ing starters. There, I can post without the bumper sticker latest
lie...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Aug 25, 5:01Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."

Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? Â*And
then place it under the control of the White House?

Don't have a conclusive answer, but I have heard time and time again
that the FBI has the most productive interrogation techniques of any
agency, and the CIA can't hold a candle to them. Â*No expertise.

That may be true, but the FBI's results are far more public than the
CIA's. Since they are rivals and government agencies, we mere mortals
only hear what we are allowed to hear.

As far as bureaucracy, I've heard that all the outsourcing done in the
last 15 or so years just adds layers, and costs.
Couldn't believe the Army can't cook for itself, and Blackwater gets
hired for that at much more cost.
I'd like to see some cost numbers on what the CIA paid its contracted
"interrogators" versus what it would cost the FBI to do it.

All that is nice, but has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
We're not talking about outsourcing, we're talking about the current
admin creating a new agency, directly under its control, with the
supposed agenda of gathering high value intel. According to you, the
FBI is already capable of this, and with some marching orders they can
do it. No outsourcing involved.

What are we not being told? Why the new agency, with direct report to
the White House? This smells, and you know it.

*I'm* talking about outsourcing interrogation to amateurs, which is
what the Bush admin did.
HIG is defined as an "interagency team of interrogators" in the
article I posted. For all we know HIG interrogation teams will be
staffed by FBI pros, already on the payroll, so there's no need to
bring in highly paid civilian jomocas whose expertise is crowing
"I can make the SOB talk. Give me some water and a board and he'll
tell us exactly what we want to hear."
How come all of a sudden you want to know all the anti-terrorism
secrets?
And it doesn't smell to me, or worry me at all.
That's what opposing parties are for. I wish the Reps all the luck
the Dems had in protecting the interests of American citizens.
Whine away.
BTW, I'm opposed to selling the store to the executive, whatever the
party. So I want to hear the Reps whine at least as loud as the Dems
did. It'll be fun hearing the Dems call them traitors and terrorist
sympathizers too. And so it goes.
That's why America is great!

--Vic

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...
Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart,
and I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?
My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to
solve the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion
with those you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the
mirror. That's what I'm saying.
It's just that you say so many disjointed irrational stupid things that I
have a hard time hearing what exactly you ARE saying. Know whut uh mean,
Vern?


So, basically, you have nothing to say, except to attack those with whom
you disagree. Got it!


--
Nom=de=Plume

A statement of fact is not an ad hominem attack. Go to the ladies section
at the drug store and get some skin thickener.

Steve

On Aug 26, 11:53*am, U-joint Buster wrote:


I finished with him last night. He's just not realized it yet.
--
John H

the primary characteristic of the redneck right is that you tell each
other how great you are.

strange that no one else notices.