On Aug 25, 4:16*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:45:47 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:







Sigh... one last time:

I wrote: "We now have a brand-new intelligence agency that reports
directly to the White House called the HIG. *Three letters, as in KGB.
Coincidence?"

You wrote: "your contention is that all 3 letter intelligence groups
are evil"

Then I pondered: "Wow... you took my comparison of the HIG to the KGB
as an assertion that *all* 3 letter intelligence groups are evil?!?"

Then you accused me of moving the goalposts? *I'll type slowly... I
compared the HIG to the KGB. *Not to any other agency. *Not to "all"
three letter agencies. *Just the KGB. *"The KGB maintained the one-
party Soviet State by suppressing "ideological subversion" (political
dissent) and anti-Soviet public figures (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,
Andrei Sakharov, et al.)." *That KGB.

Got it, nudnick?

I agree it is a mistake is falling for the little known "Three Letter
Directive."
This has been propagated by SMERSH and CHAOS to direct attention away
from them by misdirecting attention to three letter operations.
Some of us aren't fooled by this.
Even the "fact"http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1918298,00.html

that the HIG will be administered by the FBI and be provided
"strategic policy guidance" by the NSC should be considered
in context of "Three Letter Directive."
Note the usual sleight of hand in tossing out three letter agencies.
Good to see you are on your toes.

--Vic

Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."

Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? And
then place it under the control of the White House?

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed

Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H


You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 25, 7:32*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 24, 11:35*pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------

guess he's unhappy now that bush is *no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed

Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--

ever hear of 9/11?

oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.

well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.

Yes, I've heard of 9/11.

Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...
"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
...

You must be a very angry person.

--
Nom=de=Plume

Or observant.



Should probably start by looking in the mirror...

--
Nom=de=Plume

Lemee see. I want to understand you. I see my country falling apart, and
I need to look in a mirror? Is that what you're saying?


steve


My bad. If you see your country falling apart, you should be trying to solve
the problem. This includes having a rational, sober discussion with those
you believe are causing the problem AND looking in the mirror. That's what
I'm saying.
--
Nom=de=Plume

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
...
You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous


If you don't know, no amount of fact presentation at this point will make it
clear.


--
Nom=de=Plume

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:43:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Mille GT Owner" wrote in message
.. .
You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous


If you don't know, no amount of fact presentation at this point will make it
clear.

You guys simply can't answer the question, so you tap dance.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



Humorous Vic, but even your own reference states: "allowing the NSC
(which is essentially a White House arm) to have oversight of the HIG
might give Obama and future Presidents too much control..."

Why create more bureaucracy when we already have plenty in place? And
then place it under the control of the White House?

Don't have a conclusive answer, but I have heard time and time again
that the FBI has the most productive interrogation techniques of any
agency, and the CIA can't hold a candle to them. No expertise.
As far as bureaucracy, I've heard that all the outsourcing done in the
last 15 or so years just adds layers, and costs.
Couldn't believe the Army can't cook for itself, and Blackwater gets
hired for that at much more cost.
I'd like to see some cost numbers on what the CIA paid its contracted
"interrogators" versus what it would cost the FBI to do it.

--Vic

Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:51:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35 pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------
guess he's unhappy now that bush is no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed
Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--
John H

You've been told, John. We have to clean up the mess that Bush left when
his ADHD kicked in and he left Afghanistan in shambles and went to Iraq.

What mess did he leave in Afghanistan? I keep hearing 'Bush' as our
reason for being there. Pretty lame reason.
--
John H


Hell, you don't know about the fact that Bush left Afghanistan in
shambles because his apparent ADD addled mind told him to go to Iraq in
the middle of it? Do you realize that many, many military strategists
have stated over and over what a terrible mistake that was?

On Aug 25, 3:45*pm, Jack wrote:
Sigh... one last time:

I wrote: "We now have a brand-new intelligence agency that reports

directly to the White House called the HIG. *Three letters, as in KGB.
Coincidence?"

You wrote: "your contention is that all 3 letter intelligence groups

are evil"

Then I pondered: "Wow... you took my comparison of the HIG to the KGB
as an assertion that *all* 3 letter intelligence groups are evil?!?"

Then you accused me of moving the goalposts? *I'll type slowly... I
compared the HIG to the KGB. *Not to any other agency.

well, no. you called it a '3 letter agency'. for right wing numerology
i realize this as high as you can count since it's the IQ of the most
intelligent right winger in the US....but the number seemed to have
some significance for you

*Not to "all"
three letter agencies. *Just the KGB. *"The KGB maintained the one-
party Soviet State by suppressing "ideological subversion" (political
dissent) and anti-Soviet public figures (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,
Andrei Sakharov, et al.)." *That KGB.

Got it, nudnick?

let me know when your IQ reaches 2. always strive to better yourself!

On Aug 25, 4:32*pm, Mille GT Owner wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:56:27 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Aug 25, 7:32*am, Guzzistimo wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:22:47 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Aug 24, 11:35*pm, JR North wrote:
Yup The United States Socialist Republic. I swear I can almost see the
Swastika armbands beginning to materialize on National Socialist Obama
and his left wing cronies.
Sieg Heil!
maybe I shouldn't have sold those snappy black boots....
JR
HOME PAGE:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
--------------------------------------------------

guess he's unhappy now that bush is *no longer in office, and we have
re-established the rule of law in this country. after all, under bush,
the govt had unlimited power to tax, to imprison, to suspend civil
liberties....

and used those powers.

obama doesn't do this. i can see why the right is ****ed

Yeah, but why are we wasting money and lives in Afghanistan?
--

ever hear of 9/11?

oh. you haven't. they don't have news in your cave.

well, i don't want to shock you but you might read about it. or have
someone read about it to you since you're incapable.

Yes, I've heard of 9/11.

Afghanistan didn't attack us. The Taliban didn't attack us.
--

the taliban attacked us. they were in control of afghanistan

haven't they reached 9/11 in your 3rd grade class yet?