On Aug 19, 1:04*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).

correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going
there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).

correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth


Actually, we don't. The majority of Americans voted for change, both for
Congress and for the presidency. That change can take place without
compromising the vox populi. I don't believe that their minds can be
changed. It's interesting, actually. I vote and act against my own
self-interest all the time. The same goes for those opposed to true reform.
The difference is that I know I'm doing that. The latter is what fear-based
rhetoric gets done.

--
Nom=de=Plume

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"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going
there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).

correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth


Actually, we don't. The majority of Americans voted for change, both for
Congress and for the presidency. That change can take place without
compromising the vox populi. I don't believe that their minds can be
changed. It's interesting, actually. I vote and act against my own
self-interest all the time. The same goes for those opposed to true reform.
The difference is that I know I'm doing that. The latter is what fear-based
rhetoric gets done.

Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Aug 19, 10:26*pm, JustWait wrote:


Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...

as opposed to dick cheney hiding in a back room with the chairman of
exxon to figure out the energy policy of the US...and getting us into
a war over that very policy

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, JustWait wrote:

Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...

as opposed to dick cheney hiding in a back room with the chairman of
exxon to figure out the energy policy of the US...and getting us into
a war over that very policy

Or Hillary Clinton hiding in the back room with Big health care plotting
the take over of 1/7 of the US economy. You seem to forget that the
Clinton's provided the template.

On Aug 20, 7:25*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, JustWait wrote:

Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...

as opposed to dick cheney hiding in a back room with the chairman of
exxon to figure out the energy policy of the US...and getting us into
a war over that very policy

Or Hillary Clinton hiding in the back room with Big health care plotting
the take over of 1/7 of the US economy. You seem to forget that the
Clinton's provided the template.

we need healthcare since the private sector has failed.

cheney's wholesale whoring of the economy to exxon is a different
matter. but i appreciate your view that exxon speaks ex cathedra.

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:25 am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, JustWait wrote:
Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...
as opposed to dick cheney hiding in a back room with the chairman of
exxon to figure out the energy policy of the US...and getting us into
a war over that very policy
Or Hillary Clinton hiding in the back room with Big health care plotting
the take over of 1/7 of the US economy. You seem to forget that the
Clinton's provided the template.

we need healthcare since the private sector has failed.

The private sector hasn't failed. You can walk into any doctors office
and be seen. All you have to do is pull out your wallet and pay for the
services you receive.

Your problem is that you believe your health care should be subsidized
by someone else. You believe that if you want something and you don't
have the ability to pay for it you should be able to steal the money
from someone else to pay for it. You are not better than a thug on the
street who steals from people walking along the sidewalk.




cheney's wholesale whoring of the economy to exxon is a different
matter. but i appreciate your view that exxon speaks ex cathedra.

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going
there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).
correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth

Actually, we don't. The majority of Americans voted for change, both for
Congress and for the presidency. That change can take place without
compromising the vox populi. I don't believe that their minds can be
changed. It's interesting, actually. I vote and act against my own
self-interest all the time. The same goes for those opposed to true reform.
The difference is that I know I'm doing that. The latter is what fear-based
rhetoric gets done.

Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...


You all claim to know all of the liberal's motives and thoughts, needs
and desires.......

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going
there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).
correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth

Actually, we don't. The majority of Americans voted for change, both for
Congress and for the presidency. That change can take place without
compromising the vox populi. I don't believe that their minds can be
changed. It's interesting, actually. I vote and act against my own
self-interest all the time. The same goes for those opposed to true reform.
The difference is that I know I'm doing that. The latter is what fear-based
rhetoric gets done.

Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...


You all claim to know all of the liberal's motives and thoughts, needs
and desires.......

Well, we have a pretty good idea based on history and being informed..
Either way, I don't want them shoved down my throat with my HALF of the
country not having any say. The Nuclear option is being discussed in
Washington as we speak... Jam it through cause we are stupid, right,
America..

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article , says...
"wf3h" wrote in message
...
On Aug 19, 1:04 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:

The first question is certainly valid. The current administration has
answered this several times. The problem was lack of responsbility of
ownership of the original invasion. The previous administration didn't get
it right, because they didn't follow the well-established Powell doctrine,
not in Afganistan nor in Iraq, the latter being a war of choice vs. one of
necessity. We're paying the price for the neglect right now in both
places... the former for not really making the commitment (and a war for
which we had a lot of support and justification), the second for going
there
in the first place (where we had practically no support and certainly no
justification).
correct on all counts. now we just have to convince the idiots of the
truth
Actually, we don't. The majority of Americans voted for change, both for
Congress and for the presidency. That change can take place without
compromising the vox populi. I don't believe that their minds can be
changed. It's interesting, actually. I vote and act against my own
self-interest all the time. The same goes for those opposed to true reform.
The difference is that I know I'm doing that. The latter is what fear-based
rhetoric gets done.
Yup, we are so glad that your party knows all of our motives and
thoughts, needs, and desires... Now maybe you can sit in a closed room
with the Unions and decide what we should all do with our lives, oh, and
of course our money.. Man, thank God you are so much smarter than the
rest of us...

You all claim to know all of the liberal's motives and thoughts, needs
and desires.......

Well, we have a pretty good idea based on history and being informed..
Either way, I don't want them shoved down my throat with my HALF of the
country not having any say. The Nuclear option is being discussed in
Washington as we speak... Jam it through cause we are stupid, right,
America..

Then you'd agree we have a pretty good idea of what the conservatives
wants, too then, right? So, history under Bush tells us that you all
want bigger government, a huge deficit, war, secrecy in government, etc.