Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.

I experienced some cold water this evening.

the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

On Aug 12, 7:02*pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. *Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.

I experienced some cold water this evening.

the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. *It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. *My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. *I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. *I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:02 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

Yep, that's the thing. You have to keep 40 gallons or so hot all of the
time. It won't be long and mine, I got it for $750, will pay for itself.
I'm saving a couple of hundred just over the mild winters we have here.

NotNow wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:02 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

Yep, that's the thing. You have to keep 40 gallons or so hot all of the
time. It won't be long and mine, I got it for $750, will pay for itself.
I'm saving a couple of hundred just over the mild winters we have here.

There are some good deals here for gas...

http://www.cpotanklesswaterheaters.c...s/natural_gas/

Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:02 pm, D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.
I experienced some cold water this evening.
the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.
I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.

a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

Yep. And they are the size of a NYC phone book. Electric is the only
option for me.

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.
a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7

You need some pretty serious unused electrical capacity to have an on
demand heater capable of supplying a regular house. 100a is not
unreasonable.


I wonder about the "savings" for an average family with kids,
dishwashers, washing machines, et cetera, compared to a good quality gas
hot water heater that costs about half of what the "tankless" models
cost. I read through manufacturers' lit a few years ago, and since we
have fairly typical use here, I couldn't see that a tankless unit made
much sense. Maybe the economics have changed...

wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:15:45 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:22:33 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day.
The problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician
to run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with
anything above 120V.
a contributor here in reek.boats and I were talking about those a few
days ago.

His is operated with gas, though.

I'm investigating the on-demand heaters though. sounds better than
cooking water 24/7
You need some pretty serious unused electrical capacity to have an on
demand heater capable of supplying a regular house. 100a is not
unreasonable.

I wonder about the "savings" for an average family with kids,
dishwashers, washing machines, et cetera, compared to a good quality gas
hot water heater that costs about half of what the "tankless" models
cost. I read through manufacturers' lit a few years ago, and since we
have fairly typical use here, I couldn't see that a tankless unit made
much sense. Maybe the economics have changed...

The biggest saving is in the summer time when you are paying to heat
the water and then paying for the A/C to take the escaped heat back
out. In the winter, when you are heating the house anyway there is no
wasted heat.
My water heater is outside the HVAC envelope, just for that reason
I have seriously wondered how much more I would save if I just had a
loop of 2" pipe in the attic storing several gallons of hot
water.(about 1.7 gallons per ten foot joint of pipe) That might really
work well in the detached garage for the washing machine and
occasional hand washing. It would certainly be enough to get the first
"wash" cycle warm. Disregard if you live where water freezes in your
attic ;-)


Harry's an idiot. I've figured my savings with a tankless and in a very
few years, it will have paid for itself.

D wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 10:01 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
End of summer with no real trips so we are gonna go up to NC to Deep
Creek near Boone for some whitewater tubing. Camper is still about
two weeks from completion so will be using the tent (this is tent #4
and is almost worn out).
My wife is taking me to California and I hear the water in Tahoe is
pretty cold. I don't plan on jumping in anyway.

I experienced some cold water this evening.

the water heater in the garage quit last week so until I get a new
heating element, after work showers are a bit nippy.

I bought one of those tankless water heaters and still have it in the
box. It's tiny and mounts on the wall so I will gain some space in the
garage. My conventional unit is 12 years old and could die any day. The
problem is the wiring. I have to get a nice, non-union, electrician to
run some fat wires about 15 feet to run it. I don't mess with anything
above 120V.

I've talked to Tim about my system. I've got natural gas. Here is mine:
http://www.valleypower.com/r75lsin.h...hannelid=FROOG

It's expensive, but it really cut my natural gas costs, summer and
winter. This thing gives me hot water in the whole house, and never ever
runs out, even if there's two showers going, the dishwasher, clothes
washer, etc. Of course, Tim wouldn't need this much of a heater for his
application.