On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

jps wrote:

Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount
employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.


Full story here...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a
corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4%
increase in production does not mean that the employee is being
overworked as implied.

Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here
anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The
productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer
hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living.

No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your
deadwood.

You don't have to produce on a line to be productive.

We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line.
We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the
way it works.

Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths?

jps wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:03:52 -0700, "CalifBill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:10:59 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

jps wrote:
Feel like you're working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay - or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, "unit labor costs" - the amount
employers paid for all that extra work - fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.


Full story here...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/
On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a
corresponding increase in the effort of the individual. So a 6.4%
increase in production does not mean that the employee is being
overworked as implied.
Don't know if you're heard, we don't have production lines here
anymore. We're in the service business and military arms. The
productivity gains come from less workers doing more, working longer
hours for pay that doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living.
No production, so we could not raise productivity. You kept all your
deadwood.

You don't have to produce on a line to be productive.

We write software, it doesn't benefit from a faster production line.
We are doing more with less people. When times are lean, that's the
way it works.

Did you ever work for an entreprenurial company or only behemoths?

How well are those German screwdrivers helping you write software?

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On todays production lines the volume can be increased without a
corresponding increase in the effort of the individual.

Todays production lines? What percentage of GDP do you think
that represents?

On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.

Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.

we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.

Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.

we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich


I'd rather their heads on pikes.

On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote:



Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.

Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.

we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich

Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat
you just bought ,

Very first Lincoln Mrk VII LSC I bought was in '93 from an eye
surgeon. He had depreciated it out. it had 85,000 mi on it, all
available options- sun roof. Beautiful!

Still had the original window price sheet in the glove box of
$36,852.00 we got it for $6500.00! I told the wife, I was thankful
for "rich people" who like to throw stuff away......

On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote:





On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote:

Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.

Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.

we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich

Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat
you just bought ,

yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich,
regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic
system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no
matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for
being rich, no matter what it costs us.

and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what
a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs
are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad
for the work

you kill me, you know that?

wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:10 am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:12 pm, wf3h wrote:





On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.
The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.
That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.
Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/
somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.
we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich
Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat
you just bought ,

yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich,
regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic
system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no
matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for
being rich, no matter what it costs us.

and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what
a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs
are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad
for the work

you kill me, you know that?


You never know when a crumb might fall from the table of the rich and
you'll get to drive it.

On Aug 12, 7:39*am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:10 am, Tim wrote:
On Aug 11, 9:12 pm, wf3h wrote:

On Aug 11, 9:07 pm, jps wrote:
Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.
The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.
That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.
Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/
somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.
we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich
Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat
you just bought ,

yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich,
regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic
system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no
matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for
being rich, no matter what it costs us.

and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what
a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs
are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad
for the work

you kill me, you know that?

You never know when a crumb might fall from the table of the rich and
you'll get to drive it.

And it was a very delicious crum indeed!

On Aug 12, 7:36*am, wf3h wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:10*am, Tim wrote:



On Aug 11, 9:12*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Aug 11, 9:07*pm, jps wrote:

Feel like you’re working a lot harder these days, putting in longer
hours for the same pay — or even less? The latest round of government
data on worker productivity indicates that you probably are.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that the American work force
produced, at an annual rate, 6.4 percent more of the goods they made
and services they provided in the second quarter of this year compared
to a year ago. At the same time, “unit labor costs” — the amount
employers paid for all that extra work — fell by 5.8 percent. The jump
in productivity was higher than expected; the cut in labor costs more
than double expectations.

That is, despite the deep job cuts of the past year, workers who
remain on the payroll are filling in and making up the work that had
been done by their departed colleagues. In some cases, that extra work
came with a smaller paycheck.

Full story here...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374533...n_the_economy/

somebody has to take care of the rich. god knows they've suffered,
what with all the wall street problems.

we middle class folks will muddle through but our first obligation,
before family, before self, before anything...is to care for the rich

Be glad there's rich people, otherwise you couldn't afford that boat
you just bought ,

yeah that's what they tell us, isn't it? and they deserve to be rich,
regardless of what they do, don't they? they trash the economic
system; we pay for it. they trash their companies; we pay for it. no
matter what they do, we should grovel before them and thank them for
being rich, no matter what it costs us.

and we should be thankful there are people like you to remind us what
a privilege it is to serve rich people, no matter what they do. serfs
are always needed to carry the slop buckets and they should be glad
for the work

you kill me, you know that?

I'm not saying they deserve what they have or haven't got. But they do
have it.

I have some very wealthy friends and I don't feel like they owe me
anything.

If you feel like a serf then that's your problem or privilege.

and no, I wouldn't kill you.