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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like
to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. After your death, your body belongs to the govt.. Thats right. Of course they have no real reason to want you dead but.........some of your organs MIGHT still be good and we know how valuable they are............... Nurse: Mr Krause, can we move a little faster Ted Kennedy needs a liver. Harry: Wait, you can't do this. Nurse: You should have read it before you supported it. C'mon, take a deep breath of the CO, your struggling makes it harder for me to remove your liver intact for Sen. Kennedy. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 11, 8:13*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. *Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:13 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Right now, for most Americans, health insurance and your health care is determined solely by corporations who decide who to cover, who to not cover, who to drop from coverage, what to cover, and what to charge for that coverage. In many cases, those decisions are arbitrary and capricious. What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. It is utter stupidity to depend upon the vagaries of a corporation for something as important as health care insurance. I've always gotten a kick out of the fools here and elsewhere who think that everyone has access to health care because they can go to an emergency room. What you get there if you don't have insurance is...short-changed. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 11, 8:13 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/...12/town_halls/ what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 7:48*am, H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote: so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Right now, for most Americans, health insurance and your health care is determined solely by corporations who decide who to cover, who to not cover, who to drop from coverage, what to cover, and what to charge for that coverage. In many cases, those decisions are arbitrary and capricious. yeah i always laugh when people say they want to 'choose their own doctors'. the health insurance company that the company i work for chose has quite a selection of doctors...with degrees from the st. george's school of medicine in the grenadines, or the magsaysay school of medicine in the philippines...quality health care because, i'm sure, the insurance companies are ONLY concerned about my health. What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. yep. if you thought what bear stearns did for the economy last year was good, you LOVE 'free market' medicine. people seem to have already forgotten it was the unregulated market of the right wing that GOT US into this position. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
H the K wrote:
wf3h wrote: On Aug 11, 8:13 pm, Frogwatch wrote: Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Right now, for most Americans, health insurance and your health care is determined solely by corporations who decide who to cover, who to not cover, who to drop from coverage, what to cover, and what to charge for that coverage. In many cases, those decisions are arbitrary and capricious. You are so full of crap Harry it is coming out of your mouth. Why do you focus on health insurance? Why don't you focus on health care delivery? What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? It is utter stupidity to depend upon the vagaries of a corporation for something as important as health care insurance. Forgo health insurance and go with HSA's and pay for your health care with your own money. I've always gotten a kick out of the fools here and elsewhere who think that everyone has access to health care because they can go to an emergency room. What you get there if you don't have insurance is...short-changed. All you have to do is pay for the services you receive and you will get all of the health care you want. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Frogwatch wrote:
Bozoma's good buddy Bill Ayers is on the record saying he would like to kill 20 million Americans ann now that Obama is in office he going to get that chance thru ObamaCare, the plan inspired by Ayers. Not only does it call for direct govt access to your bank account to pay for health care, it may withhold care for certain persons whose lives will not benefit enough from such procedures, the benefit to be determined by a clique of Obama/Ayers pals. Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. After your death, your body belongs to the govt.. Thats right. Of course they have no real reason to want you dead but.........some of your organs MIGHT still be good and we know how valuable they are............... Nurse: Mr Krause, can we move a little faster Ted Kennedy needs a liver. Harry: Wait, you can't do this. Nurse: You should have read it before you supported it. C'mon, take a deep breath of the CO, your struggling makes it harder for me to remove your liver intact for Sen. Kennedy. Hooboy. The reverse Harrys have gone off the deep end. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
JustWait wrote:
In article , says... However we do have some new (or recently returned) professional snarks and name callers returning to the scene... You and your asshole buddies never left. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 10:27*am, JustWait wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. Wow, I think I almost got to the third name calling paragraph.. Right winger, right winger, right winger... It's not only the right that hates this new Health care scam... hmmm...so you say. as to a 'scam', ever hear of HMO's? Why is it that many libe here don't accept that others can look at a certain dataset and come up with a different opinion? it's not an opinion; it's a myth that kills people all the crap about how the rich love to help the middle class...how the middle class loves the rich because every middle class person's gonna be rich someday... the easter bunny has more credibility |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 9:13*pm, Just John II wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39*am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible.. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. *so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world.. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. *i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. have you, in your visions of delusions, ever noticed how most right wingers engage in fantasies that would embarrass a 7 year old child? Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? let me know when you stop believing in the tooth fairy |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 10:22*am, JustWait wrote:
In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42*am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 8:41*pm, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. *so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue.. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. *i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...therighties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? Actually, Harry. I think that it's not the "righties" being upset because they can't sell BS. I believe it's the Presidents team who is having the difficult time selling the health care plan. (Yes, I call the plan BS) |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:41 pm, H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...therighties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? Actually, Harry. I think that it's not the "righties" being upset because they can't sell BS. I believe it's the Presidents team who is having the difficult time selling the health care plan. (Yes, I call the plan BS) You mean, because some birther-deathers with downloaded behavior and talking points show up at meetings and try to disrupt them? snerk |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
"BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...the righties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? The Obama death squad, I mean end of life consideration team will be stopping by to have a consultation with you soon. I hope you don't get sick. In June, 2002, I couldn't make it from the car to the front door of the store without stopping twice. I could not climb stairs. If this had been in place then, I would have been allowed to die, and probably would have done so within six months. Then I had a nine hour 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced. About $200k all together. I'm still alive and kicking. Paying taxes. What gets me is people who don't see. There have been many cases where people were considered dead or that would die soon, but made full recoveries and went on to live for a long time. Those people would have been murdered (yes, that is the operative word) by someone trying to save money for their own salary and retirement. Since when did anyone appoint or vote these fools in as gods, emperors, or kings, to decide who lives and dies? Obama is so ****ing stupid he said prostate cancer can be detected during a colonoscopy. Remember his comment on giving the kid with asthma a breathalyzer? This guy and people like him are going to be making the calls on when people die? I just have one question. Are they subject to the same panel, or because they are another caste/class of people than we, the unwashed rabble, is their insurance panel going to be different like their health care is now? Or do they get the thumbs up/thumbs down, too? Steve |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote: In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: "BAR" wrote in message m... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...the righties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? The Obama death squad, I mean end of life consideration team will be stopping by to have a consultation with you soon. I hope you don't get sick. In June, 2002, I couldn't make it from the car to the front door of the store without stopping twice. I could not climb stairs. If this had been in place then, I would have been allowed to die, and probably would have done so within six months. Then I had a nine hour 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced. About $200k all together. I'm still alive and kicking. Paying taxes. What gets me is people who don't see. There have been many cases where people were considered dead or that would die soon, but made full recoveries and went on to live for a long time. Those people would have been murdered (yes, that is the operative word) by someone trying to save money for their own salary and retirement. Since when did anyone appoint or vote these fools in as gods, emperors, or kings, to decide who lives and dies? Obama is so ****ing stupid he said prostate cancer can be detected during a colonoscopy. Remember his comment on giving the kid with asthma a breathalyzer? This guy and people like him are going to be making the calls on when people die? I just have one question. Are they subject to the same panel, or because they are another caste/class of people than we, the unwashed rabble, is their insurance panel going to be different like their health care is now? Or do they get the thumbs up/thumbs down, too? Steve Well, for what it's worth, I'm glad you're still around. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 12, 9:26*pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 8:41 pm, H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. *we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. *so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. *Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. *i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...therightiesare upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? Actually, Harry. I think that it's not the "righties" being upset because they can't sell BS. I believe it's the Presidents team who is having the difficult time selling the health care plan. (Yes, I call the plan *BS) You mean, because some birther-deathers with downloaded behavior and talking points show up at meetings and try to disrupt them? *snerk "because some birther-deathers with downloaded behavior and talking points show up at meetings and try to disrupt them? " huh? |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 13, 2:16*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote: In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your corporate employer contributed? *and then you lost 40%. *But still have more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. *If you had saved.- Hide quoted text - ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. and because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their contributions are nil and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of where i'm at now. so while you insist that thieves and robbers are paragons of development, i see them for what they are |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Calif Bill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote: In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved. Bilious Bill is apologizing for Wall Street thievery...priceless. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 2:16 am, "Calif Bill" wrote: "wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote: In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved.- Hide quoted text - ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. and because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their contributions are nil and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of where i'm at now. My financial adviser told me, when the DOW was at 6700, that I might have to work a couple of extra years, until I was 60, before I retired. But, he also said that this is a great time to buy. Just the other day we, the wife and I, met with our financial adviser and we are back on track for me to retire at 56 since the DOW is at 9300. Retiring at 56 has been my goal for the past 5 years so. When I do retire I will have enough money to last until I and my wife reach 90 living at our current standard of living. so while you insist that thieves and robbers are paragons of development, i see them for what they are Start stuffing your mattress. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
On Aug 13, 7:45*am, BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote: ROFLMAO!! they only do that because congress authorized them to. *and because they've gutted pension plans. and, of course, they get a tax write off for 401k's. and they just stole the money back so their contributions are nil and, no, i don't have more money. my financial advisor told me that if i had put my money in my mattress since 2002, i'd be 20% ahead of where i'm at now. My financial adviser told me, when the DOW was at 6700, that I might have to work a couple of extra years, until I was 60, before I retired. But, he also said that this is a great time to buy. Just the other day we, the wife and I, met with our financial adviser and we are back on track for me to retire at 56 since the DOW is at 9300. Retiring at 56 has been my goal for the past 5 years so. When I do retire I will have enough money to last until I and my wife reach 90 living at our current standard of living. great. unfortunately the rest of america has been treated by the wealthy like we were a piggy bank. i've lost 40% of my 401K. and that means working until i'm 65 or more. just to ensure the wealthy folks could maintain their lifestyles. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Calif Bill wrote:
"wf3h" wrote in message ... On Aug 12, 10:22 am, JustWait wrote: In article fe3aa04e-98ba-4640-beeb-73899a6bb102 @o32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Aug 12, 8:42 am, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: What we have now is health insurance via corporatism. I wouldn't mind seeing the federal government getting involved in a direct fashion and closely regulating the health insurance industry, and also offering directly to Americans health insurance and ways to pay for it, be those individual or collective (taxation) methods. Demonize the evil corporations! Don't you get tired of spewing that line? oh you're absolutely right. just look at what they've done for the american economy in the last year or so. Pfffttt... Yeah, it's the corporations who have proposed two trillion in spending... right.. -- no, it's the corporations that drained my 401K to pay for their $6000 night stands, their maybach sedans, etc. i just have to pay for their mistakes The same corporations that doubled and tripled the money you and your corporate employer contributed? and then you lost 40%. But still have more than if you had got 2% a year in a savings account. If you had saved. Doesn't matter, that's the price they pay to get your money and USE it. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
JLH wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...the righties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? The Obama death squad, I mean end of life consideration team will be stopping by to have a consultation with you soon. I hope you don't get sick. In June, 2002, I couldn't make it from the car to the front door of the store without stopping twice. I could not climb stairs. If this had been in place then, I would have been allowed to die, and probably would have done so within six months. Then I had a nine hour 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced. About $200k all together. I'm still alive and kicking. Paying taxes. What gets me is people who don't see. There have been many cases where people were considered dead or that would die soon, but made full recoveries and went on to live for a long time. Those people would have been murdered (yes, that is the operative word) by someone trying to save money for their own salary and retirement. Since when did anyone appoint or vote these fools in as gods, emperors, or kings, to decide who lives and dies? Obama is so ****ing stupid he said prostate cancer can be detected during a colonoscopy. Remember his comment on giving the kid with asthma a breathalyzer? This guy and people like him are going to be making the calls on when people die? I just have one question. Are they subject to the same panel, or because they are another caste/class of people than we, the unwashed rabble, is their insurance panel going to be different like their health care is now? Or do they get the thumbs up/thumbs down, too? Steve Well, for what it's worth, I'm glad you're still around. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's shameful. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
Tim wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:26 pm, H the K wrote: Tim wrote: On Aug 12, 8:41 pm, H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...therightiesare upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? Actually, Harry. I think that it's not the "righties" being upset because they can't sell BS. I believe it's the Presidents team who is having the difficult time selling the health care plan. (Yes, I call the plan BS) You mean, because some birther-deathers with downloaded behavior and talking points show up at meetings and try to disrupt them? snerk "because some birther-deathers with downloaded behavior and talking points show up at meetings and try to disrupt them? " huh? Harry thinks babies should be aborted regardless of whether someone wanted to have a baby or not (he hates children, I think it has something to do with his past). But then he doesn't want the death penalty for any adult. |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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The Obama/Ayers health care plan
"NotNow" wrote in message ... JLH wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: On Aug 12, 8:39 am, BAR wrote: wf3h wrote: much of our healthcare dollars (something like 20-30%) are spent on people in the last few weeks of life. we need to understand when it does and doesn't pay to perform medical procedures on people when they are beyond help. anyone who's worked in a hospital has seen people being treated when they are beyond help If I am spending my money then it is none of your business how much I spend in the last few weeks of my life. If my insurance company is paying for it then it due to the contract that my insurance company and I entered into and they are fulfilling their part of the contract. well... no. because you're not spending YOUR money. you're spending mine where did you right wingers get this mythology? 'grims' fairy tales? you use HEALTH INSURANCE to pay for illnesses. and we ALL pay premiums for that. you do not pay for your own care ONLY from YOUR premiums. i pay too. you obviously have never taken an economics course, and seem to know only what fox news tells you to think. there's simply no point in paying that much money for a dying person when someone who COULD use health care effectively to prevent a serious illness isn't getting it. you're too stupid to wonder why our healthcare costs are so high. you've got your little right wing mantra and you think that'll keep you safe from the big bad boogeyman. welcome to reality, right winger. OTOH we DO ration care today in the most inefficient manner possible. people who COULD benefit from care are denied it because they can't pay. that's rationing, folks. regardless of what the right wing thinks about it, that is RATIONING We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. well it's about time you realized that. we do. thank you for proving my point. we DO ration health care. so right wingers have to give up THIS point. so regardless of what the right thinks, we DO ration care in this country. as always we take care of the rich first. the middle class and poor ensure that the rich get the best medical care in the world. We ration cars, clothes, food, housing and all manner of goods and services too. If you want it pay for it. i do. the difference is we're talking collective costs, not individual ones. if you want to pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, be my guest. but when you start using health insurance, OR when healthcare coverage is rationed by employers THEN it becomes MY issue. you right wingers do love your fables, don't you? Act NOW and there is MORE. Not only will you get crappy health care and the govt taking money directly out of your bank account, they will bill your estate after your death for the cost of procedures. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. the right bitches about 'socialized' medicine Even the left understands that socialized medicine leads to rationing. and the right wing doesnt realize healthcare is already rationed. you yourself admitted it above, NOW you deny it. you guys are hysterical to watch as you do your little 'i love the free market' dance... what we have right now is medical care run by bear, stearns; goldman sachs, bank of america and all the other institutions that have shown how much they value the american consumer by laying off so many of us. Pay as you go. There is nothing stopping you from paying cash when you go see your doctor. agreed. but let me know when you pay for your healthcare out of your own pocket, m'kay? because if you're using health insurance THEN it's a matter of public policy. yes, i want socialized medicine. because private enterprise DOES NOT WORK in medical care. Private enterprise built America. Private enterprise is what attracts so many people to America, the dream that if they work hard they can become rich. and unregulated private enterprise has killed our economy, our jobs, and has given us the most inefficient healthcare system in the industrialized world. you have your 'dreams'. i have reality. go back and tell your mom that you still believe in the tooth fairy. it's suckers like you that the rich rely on to keep them rich. Have you, in your visions of reality, ever noticed how most liberals must resort to name calling and personal insults in their pursuit of winning an argument. Do the name-calling and personal insults enhance your argument, or make you appear just as another Harry Krause? He is another Harry, KF him and get it over with... ;) Awww...the righties are upset because they can't sell their bull****. Still depending on the state for your health care, bozo? The Obama death squad, I mean end of life consideration team will be stopping by to have a consultation with you soon. I hope you don't get sick. In June, 2002, I couldn't make it from the car to the front door of the store without stopping twice. I could not climb stairs. If this had been in place then, I would have been allowed to die, and probably would have done so within six months. Then I had a nine hour 5 way bypass and aortic valve replaced. About $200k all together. I'm still alive and kicking. Paying taxes. What gets me is people who don't see. There have been many cases where people were considered dead or that would die soon, but made full recoveries and went on to live for a long time. Those people would have been murdered (yes, that is the operative word) by someone trying to save money for their own salary and retirement. Since when did anyone appoint or vote these fools in as gods, emperors, or kings, to decide who lives and dies? Obama is so ****ing stupid he said prostate cancer can be detected during a colonoscopy. Remember his comment on giving the kid with asthma a breathalyzer? This guy and people like him are going to be making the calls on when people die? I just have one question. Are they subject to the same panel, or because they are another caste/class of people than we, the unwashed rabble, is their insurance panel going to be different like their health care is now? Or do they get the thumbs up/thumbs down, too? Steve Well, for what it's worth, I'm glad you're still around. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's shameful. I absolutely agree. But there shall be some laws and practices in place that will get the same results, even though there won't be three fat ladies sitting there gorging on pizza and Diet Pepsi while dispensing life and death. But you can bet there will be some review committee, and I predict the old Roman thumbs up thumbs down thing will be revived. Death panel? Sheesh, we're not that stupid. Steve |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
SteveB wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... JLH wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's shameful. I absolutely agree. But there shall be some laws and practices in place that will get the same results, even though there won't be three fat ladies sitting there gorging on pizza and Diet Pepsi while dispensing life and death. But you can bet there will be some review committee, and I predict the old Roman thumbs up thumbs down thing will be revived. Death panel? Sheesh, we're not that stupid. Steve http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
In article , says...
SteveB wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... JLH wrote: On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:05 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: "BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:12:51 -0700 (PDT), wf3h wrote: John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. That "death panel" bull**** you all are harping is so dishonest it's shameful. I absolutely agree. But there shall be some laws and practices in place that will get the same results, even though there won't be three fat ladies sitting there gorging on pizza and Diet Pepsi while dispensing life and death. But you can bet there will be some review committee, and I predict the old Roman thumbs up thumbs down thing will be revived. Death panel? Sheesh, we're not that stupid. Steve http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm Wow... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
The Obama/Ayers health care plan
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