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"NotNow" wrote in message ... Another John wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:55:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Another John" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:59:57 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The One wants you to turn in your neighbors for the crime of doubting his wisdom. If any of the express any possible negative attitudes toward Obamacare then you should immediately turn them in. They are actually serious about this. Will they send ACORN after people who fail to conform? Maybe we will be sent to re-education camps. When the govt starts telling us to denounce our neighbors, it is time to buy ammunition, or at least to start asking Dems who they think they work for. Just to clarify before you-know-who tries to kill the messenger, see: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/ The part that really galls me is the paragraph: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to ." "....casual conversation...." Holy ****! George Orwell, where are you now that we need you? Yawn.... didn't they call your actions 'treason' in wartime? Don, the activities in question came from the government's web site! I'm beginning to have my doubts about whether you are pretending. Maybe you should just get back on the tit. -- John H This is quite humorous.... you continually referring to "the tit".... Who else in here made a career of being firmly attached to Uncle Sams "tit"... even now in your twilight years. Get Harry to tell you the difference. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Funny, Don's sucking off the government tit, he was a public servant. Didn't even really serve his company with honor like you did! Worked for a 'Crown Corp...which has its own pension plan. BTW...mostly employee funded the last 20 years. Try to keep up Kevin. Not only that, but I'll bet you didn't help your country lose a way, as herring did. :) |
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"H the K" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "NotNow" wrote in message ... Another John wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:55:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Another John" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:59:57 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The One wants you to turn in your neighbors for the crime of doubting his wisdom. If any of the express any possible negative attitudes toward Obamacare then you should immediately turn them in. They are actually serious about this. Will they send ACORN after people who fail to conform? Maybe we will be sent to re-education camps. When the govt starts telling us to denounce our neighbors, it is time to buy ammunition, or at least to start asking Dems who they think they work for. Just to clarify before you-know-who tries to kill the messenger, see: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/ The part that really galls me is the paragraph: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to ." "....casual conversation...." Holy ****! George Orwell, where are you now that we need you? Yawn.... didn't they call your actions 'treason' in wartime? Don, the activities in question came from the government's web site! I'm beginning to have my doubts about whether you are pretending. Maybe you should just get back on the tit. -- John H This is quite humorous.... you continually referring to "the tit".... Who else in here made a career of being firmly attached to Uncle Sams "tit"... even now in your twilight years. Get Harry to tell you the difference. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Funny, Don's sucking off the government tit, he was a public servant. Didn't even really serve his company with honor like you did! Worked for a 'Crown Corp...which has its own pension plan. BTW...mostly employee funded the last 20 years. Try to keep up Kevin. Not only that, but I'll bet you didn't help your country lose a way, as herring did. :) Nope... our job would have been to expose the JohnnyPrepHs of the world. Let the public know what they were up to. |
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says... Another John wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:55:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Another John" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:59:57 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The One wants you to turn in your neighbors for the crime of doubting his wisdom. If any of the express any possible negative attitudes toward Obamacare then you should immediately turn them in. They are actually serious about this. Will they send ACORN after people who fail to conform? Maybe we will be sent to re-education camps. When the govt starts telling us to denounce our neighbors, it is time to buy ammunition, or at least to start asking Dems who they think they work for. Just to clarify before you-know-who tries to kill the messenger, see: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/ The part that really galls me is the paragraph: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to ." "....casual conversation...." Holy ****! George Orwell, where are you now that we need you? Yawn.... didn't they call your actions 'treason' in wartime? Don, the activities in question came from the government's web site! I'm beginning to have my doubts about whether you are pretending. Maybe you should just get back on the tit. -- John H This is quite humorous.... you continually referring to "the tit".... Who else in here made a career of being firmly attached to Uncle Sams "tit"... even now in your twilight years. Get Harry to tell you the difference. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Funny, Don's sucking off the government tit, he was a public servant. Didn't even really serve his company with honor like you did! Yeah, but I bet he has a garage full of really cool gadgets and tools.... -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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In article , says... Another John wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:55:14 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Another John" wrote in message ... On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:59:57 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Lu Powell" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... The One wants you to turn in your neighbors for the crime of doubting his wisdom. If any of the express any possible negative attitudes toward Obamacare then you should immediately turn them in. They are actually serious about this. Will they send ACORN after people who fail to conform? Maybe we will be sent to re-education camps. When the govt starts telling us to denounce our neighbors, it is time to buy ammunition, or at least to start asking Dems who they think they work for. Just to clarify before you-know-who tries to kill the messenger, see: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/ The part that really galls me is the paragraph: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to ." "....casual conversation...." Holy ****! George Orwell, where are you now that we need you? Yawn.... didn't they call your actions 'treason' in wartime? Don, the activities in question came from the government's web site! I'm beginning to have my doubts about whether you are pretending. Maybe you should just get back on the tit. -- John H This is quite humorous.... you continually referring to "the tit".... Who else in here made a career of being firmly attached to Uncle Sams "tit"... even now in your twilight years. Get Harry to tell you the difference. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Funny, Don's sucking off the government tit, he was a public servant. Didn't even really serve his company with honor like you did! Yeah, but I bet he has a garage full of really cool gadgets and tools.... Don has health insurance, and his health needs are being met. You cannot say the same. |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's opinions and can discuss and debate rationally. Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion. It was interesting to say the least. What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill. I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above - they would not and could not answer specific line item questions about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how it would affect Americans. And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall conference call. WTF? ~~ sigh ~~ It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Should be an interesting August. |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote: It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list. MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to disrupt town hall meetings. |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them. The excuse that Congressmen have too much to read is preposterous. This isn't another bill to rename a post office. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote:
No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them. You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently, Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you pound sand. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:48:59 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote: No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them. You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently, Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you pound sand. Another side-stepping of the issue. Actually, the 'pound sand' philosophy is at the root of most of the Democrat activity now. They should just say that from the git-go. It would be much more up-front and honest. The bull**** excuses you, jps, and Harry come up with are just that - bull****. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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H the K wrote:
thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. |
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thunder wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:41:03 -0400, Another John wrote: No, it's not understandable. This bill is one of the most important to hit the streets in years, along with cap and trade. Those two bills should have been read by their damn proponents, and the proponents should be prepared to discuss them. It seems strange that the only folks who seem to have read the bills are those in opposition to them. You are right, this bill is one of the most important bills in recent memory, and the health care problem isn't a recent one. You might want to consider all this could have been avoided. Up until recently, Republicans were in control of the White House, and both Houses of Congress. They could have done something about the spiraling health care costs, but they didn't. Now the Democrats are. I guess that means you pound sand. The Democrats wouldn't let the Republicans solve the problem. Just like they wouldn't let Bush reform Social Security. It doesn't matter what the outcome is because you can always claim that economic forces or the other guy sand bagged your programs. There is political hay to be made in being the party in control when the legislation passes and having the ability to say we passed the bill to fix it. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list. MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to disrupt town hall meetings. Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice guy, but a total freakin' loon. He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not one of them. That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where he's not even an Republican. However, speaking of organizing, http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union thugs and ACORN Organizers. I wonder. Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill - what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned. They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer, you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore. |
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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list. MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to disrupt town hall meetings. Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice guy, but a total freakin' loon. He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not one of them. That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where he's not even an Republican. However, speaking of organizing, http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union thugs and ACORN Organizers. I wonder. Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill - what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned. They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. 1Z76508R0315298452 And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer, you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore. Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues. I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings, Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings. Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my self-employed status. Sorry. :) |
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H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list. MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to disrupt town hall meetings. Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice guy, but a total freakin' loon. He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not one of them. That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where he's not even an Republican. However, speaking of organizing, http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union thugs and ACORN Organizers. I wonder. Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill - what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned. They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. 1Z76508R0315298452 And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer, you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore. Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues. Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one. I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings, Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings. The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find that the town hall is already at capacity. Good by 1st amendment. Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my self-employed status. Sorry. :) We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs. |
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues. Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one. Videos taken at these meetings are all over the news, bertie. Maybe not on fox, though, eh? I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings, Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings. The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find that the town hall is already at capacity. Good by 1st amendment. Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my self-employed status. Sorry. :) We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs. You know nothing of the kind. Perhaps if you had gone to college instead of into the marines, your mind might have been trained. |
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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer, you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore. This thread wander from its original purpose. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that a sitting president would think that he could collect information on those that do not agree with his ideas. While the liberals have trivialized collection of the names, I am sure the people of Germany trivialized the thing Hitler was doing in the mid 1930's. The only way an obvious wrong can be lived with is if you can some way rationalize it to make it seem right. I am not saying obama is a Hitler, evolving rationalization of an increasing wrong is easier than standing up and not accepting it in the first place. As for health care, the cost is directly proportional strength of the 0% risk mind set of the American people. Doctor malpractice insurance should be a minimal factor in the operation of their practice, but it is not. Doctors over medicate and over test to make themselves less liable to malpractice. (If you say you have a problem, a doctor must prescribe and test, or else he is negligent.) (Remember a doctor has never claimed to know medicine he is always practicing. This is acceptable as every person present a different system of variables for a drug to work in) Government regulations have driven up the cost of medication requiring drug companies to devote 30 to 40% of their staff to monitoring new regulations, interpreting regulations, and enforcing regulations in the manufacturing operations. Finally regardless of how good or bad and an idea is if you can not afford it it is a bad idea. Our deficit in the first six month of obama's administration is 5 time what the obama objected to when he campaigned against President Bush.(nearly 2 Trillion dollars) President Bush saw the need to help the financial institutions. After a lot of foot dragging obama final instituted those measures and the economy has rebounded. (Up nearly 50% from where it was at the end of the obama plunge). His stimulus package has not yet had an effect on the economy as less that 20% of the money has been spent. The only thing he has done correctly is the institution of to TAX cuts for home purchases and the auto tax rebate system. (Which was miss handled) |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable. I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics, directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I would expect our political leadership to do the same. I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your right and everyone's right. I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back. It's about time. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's opinions and can discuss and debate rationally. Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion. It was interesting to say the least. What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill. I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above - they would not and could not answer specific line item questions about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how it would affect Americans. And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall conference call. WTF? These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it. ~~ sigh ~~ It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Should be an interesting August. -- Wafa free since 2009 Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers, never the message. They never offer their own points in support of a proposition. Losers all. |
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"JustWait" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's opinions and can discuss and debate rationally. Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion. It was interesting to say the least. What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill. I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above - they would not and could not answer specific line item questions about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how it would affect Americans. And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall conference call. WTF? These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it. ~~ sigh ~~ It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Should be an interesting August. -- Wafa free since 2009 Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers, never the message. They never offer their own points in support of a proposition. Losers all. The only message the republi-thugs have is "let's disrupt the meeting so there is no discussion." |
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In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:27:26 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable. I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics, directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I would expect our political leadership to do the same. I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your right and everyone's right. I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back. It's about time. And you have known liars like Pelosi (remember the CIA issue which has been squashed) saying she is seeing swasticka's at these meetings and of course that is bad. Fact is, nobody can find a picture of the health care oppositition bearing swasticka's at any of these meetings. However the news showed dozens of pictures of them at anti bush rallies, hitler mustaches, etc... I guess it's only ok if it's brown shirts like ACORN, code pink, and Union officials.. Oh, and they are the only ones allowed to enjoy freedom of speech.. it's getting pretty bad.. Freedom of speech at a town hall meeting means you listen to the presenter, you ask questions, you get answers, and you are courteous to your fellow citizens who are there to ask questions, get answers, and learn from the dialogues. Of course, you and your kind fear that sort of dialogue. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:41:02 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it in it's entirety. I'm sorry my friend, but it's not understandable. I'm taking the time to read it, understand it and get specifics, directly from the bill, ask questions and participate as a citizen. I would expect our political leadership to do the same. I respect your ambition. You have considerable reading ahead of you. Once you get through the House bill, there will be the Senate bill, then the reconciliation bill, ... I might also point out that informed, concerned citizens are being called a "mob" for participating in Democracy - as is my right, your right and everyone's right. Most people understand the differences between concerned citizens, and mobs. Mobs are disruptive. But hey, whatever floats your boat. I'm sure our democracy will survive. I have a feeling that this is only the begining of the push back. It's about time. Maybe, but on health care, it's reaching critical mass, rapidly becoming 20%GDP. That is unsustainable. Health care in this country is broken, and something will be done about it. The status quo can not continue. |
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H the K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote: "JustWait" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:34 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:59 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: I'm off to a discussion group at the moment - curiously enough, it's about this very issue. Should be very interesting - lots of really smart people on both sides of the aisle who respect each other's opinions and can discuss and debate rationally. Perhaps, you can give us a synopsis of the discussion. It was interesting to say the least. What I found most interesting is that nobody, other than myself and two otehr people there - one a tax accountant, the other a local doctor, had actually attempted to read the bill. I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy issues" related to the health care bill. I did manage to get a question in, but the answer was as stated above - they would not and could not answer specific line item questions about the bill - only about the genral over view of the bill and how it would affect Americans. And we found out that our Rep is not going to be addressing health care in individual forums but will be conducting an "open" town hall conference call. WTF? These "phone" (phony) town halls are becoming pretty popular... It is a whole lot easier to control the questions and set them up that way. The Health Care Reform bill is a farce, and everyone knows it. ~~ sigh ~~ It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Should be an interesting August. -- Wafa free since 2009 Notice how WAFA and others like him always attack the messengers, never the message. They never offer their own points in support of a proposition. Losers all. The only message the republi-thugs have is "let's disrupt the meeting so there is no discussion." Thank you for so eloquently proving Lou's point. WAFA |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: It was interesting as I was chatting with some of my former counterparts in town government that, in general, this is not being very well received even among Democrats. Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. The great insurance they have suddenly declares that you have a pre-existing condition. They don't have to provide proof and you can't stop the premiums until the first of the year or quit your job. They just refuse to pay for any further service pertaining to your problem. Been there, know the results. Screw the insurance companies. Capitalism at it's finest. If you haven't been there you know nothing! |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. So you expect the health insurance people, the hospital administrators and doctors to reform a system that had made them wealthy? They'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. |
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says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? |
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In article ,
says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? No... Just following the thread, try it. Sorry to have an opposing point of view but give me my due at least until it's illegal. snerk -- Wafa free since 2009 |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? No... Just following the thread, try it. Sorry to have an opposing point of view but give me my due at least until it's illegal. snerk What's funny-sad is that JustWait is without proper health insurance and depends upon the "informal" uninsured system to take care of his medical needs. He's one of those "I'll be glad to bend over for the Republicans" conservatives. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:31:45 -0400, JustWait wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? No... Just following the thread, try it. Sorry to have an opposing point of view but give me my due at least until it's illegal. snerk Then you recognize we are wasting our resources with wars that we have no intention of winning. Great! Write a letter to Congress and let them know of your disapproval of the foolishness that has prevailed for eight years. Here is a helpful link. Do something worth while. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscong...rscongress.htm |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:50:13 -0400, RLM wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:31:45 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? No... Just following the thread, try it. Sorry to have an opposing point of view but give me my due at least until it's illegal. snerk Then you recognize we are wasting our resources with wars that we have no intention of winning. Great! Write a letter to Congress and let them know of your disapproval of the foolishness that has prevailed for eight years. Here is a helpful link. Do something worth while. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscong...rscongress.htm Have you written to Obama about the foolishness in which he's engaged? Are the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan free? He could have been out of both countries by the end of February. He's running *his* wars now. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:27:20 -0400, John Leo wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:50:13 -0400, RLM wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:31:45 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:00:49 -0400, JustWait wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:54:51 -0400, BAR wrote: H the K wrote: thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:51:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Everyone who is getting decent health care now has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I think people are beginning to understand that. I don't know your particular situation, but quite a few people *think* they have excellent coverage, until they actually try to use it. It's a fact that health care costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the U.S., even when people have health care insurance. Remember, most people's insurance is tied to their jobs. Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt. Most of those in this newsgroup who are opposed to health care insurance reform are retired Republicans with substantial assets and health care insurance or retired military with federal health care. It's part of the Republican "I've got mine, so **** you" syndrome. They do not care about Americans who unfortunately fall into the "Get a long term illness, you lose your job and your insurance, then go bankrupt." scenario. Harry you are just plain wrong. Nobody is opposed to reforming our health care system. We are opposed to the government taking over the health care system. After the years of National Socialism under the Bush household a government takeover of health care sounds good. At least they aren't spending billions loosing another war. That was money down a rathole. 4 Americans and 3 Brits killed in Afghanistan... more to come. Did you get an erection posting this? Huh! Dopey? No... Just following the thread, try it. Sorry to have an opposing point of view but give me my due at least until it's illegal. snerk Then you recognize we are wasting our resources with wars that we have no intention of winning. Great! Write a letter to Congress and let them know of your disapproval of the foolishness that has prevailed for eight years. Here is a helpful link. Do something worth while. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscong...rscongress.htm Have you written to Obama about the foolishness in which he's engaged? Are the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan free? He could have been out of both countries by the end of February. He's running *his* wars now. My "Congress Critters" quite possibly recognize my name. Obama wasn't in office when these fools started their mess. I'm a registered voter and exercise my right. That answers enough of your question. |
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"H the K" wrote in message m... thunder wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:54:22 -0400, Lu Powell wrote: I have a dossier for all of them - mid term elections is 2020 and quadrennial election in 2012, with a slew of tea parties from now on till they change their ways or are gone. At least those are fair tactics, but there are parts of the Republican party that are coming across as very poor *losers*. I particularly like the tactic of disrupting town hall meetings. I guess Obama should learn from Bush, and institute an invitation only policy. The gnashing of teeth begins. If you listen very closely, you might just hear the sounds of Republicans in the wilderness... noooo, noooo. I think an announcement ought to be made at the beginning of those town hall meetings that anyone who behaves in a "disruptive" manner will be ejected immediately. The meetings are set up for dialogue between rational adults, usually with a presented and an audience, and the audience is supposed to ask questions and get answers during and after the presentation. Unfortunately, mostly Republicans are engaging in planned and coordinated activities to disrupt the meetings. Well, screw 'em. Toss them out of the meetings as forcefully as they misbehave, and if they resist, arrest them. Civil protest and disobedience is fine in this country. When protestors cannot behave in a civil fashion, it is time to toss them out on their asses. An open town hall meeting, with pro signs, and a stacked audience before the doors are open to the public. That sounds like a fair dialogue place. |
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