On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.

I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.

It's perfectly legal for off road (marine) usage, at least it is here.

Back when I had the F-250, I bought into a farmer's fuel co-op - I
qualified because "technically" we own a "farm" - even though the
fields are leased to a local farmer.

That same distributor is supposed to sell ethanol free gas, but he
says no - he can't get it, so he can't sell it.

Why, I don't know.

On Aug 2, 8:53*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.

I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.

It's perfectly legal for off road (marine) usage, at least it is here.

Back when I had the F-250, I bought into a farmer's fuel co-op - I
qualified because "technically" we own a "farm" - even though the
fields are leased to a local farmer.

That same distributor is supposed to sell ethanol free gas, but he
says no - he can't get it, so he can't sell it.

Why, I don't know.

I am somewhat skeptical of this whole issue because it seems to be the
answer to all unknown motor problems. You'd think that if this was a
serious problem for boats that it might be a problem for cars as
well. Yet, nobody seems to have reported bad gas for their cars from
this station.
Today, I finally decided that boat motor mechanics are simply
incompetent and I had better figure it out for myself. First, I
noticed that the mechanics who had supposedly rebuilt my carbs and
drained all the bad fuel from my boat had NOT replaced the water
seperator, WTF? I took it off and could not find much sign of water
in it but i may not have known how to look.
Next, I took off the fuel filter on the engine and found it to have a
lot of red sediment in it, too fine to be rust but some was on the
output side too, hmmmmmmm. The mechanics did not bother to do this?
WTF?
Decided to drain the carb float bowls, no sign of water there either.
Conclusions will have to wait till tomorrow.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I am somewhat skeptical of this whole issue because it seems to be the
answer to all unknown motor problems. You'd think that if this was a
serious problem for boats that it might be a problem for cars as
well. Yet, nobody seems to have reported bad gas for their cars from
this station.

The problem is storage - you go through more gas by volume over time
with a car than you do with a boat. I run through about 75 gallons a
month over the summer with the Ranger for example, but I use at least
double that in my truck. You also add it in smaller volume in
cars/trucks than you do with a boat.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Decided to drain the carb float bowls, no sign of water there either.
Conclusions will have to wait till tomorrow.

The last time I had fuel problems with my Honda 4 stroke I sprayed a
lot of GumOut (carb cleaner) into the float bowl drain and let it sit
over night. It's been running fine ever since.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.

I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.

It's perfectly legal for off road (marine) usage, at least it is here.

Back when I had the F-250, I bought into a farmer's fuel co-op - I
qualified because "technically" we own a "farm" - even though the
fields are leased to a local farmer.

That same distributor is supposed to sell ethanol free gas, but he
says no - he can't get it, so he can't sell it.

Why, I don't know.

All they sell up here is regular, medium & high test gas. No ethenol for
us. (so far)

Don White wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.
I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.
It's perfectly legal for off road (marine) usage, at least it is here.
Back when I had the F-250, I bought into a farmer's fuel co-op - I
qualified because "technically" we own a "farm" - even though the
fields are leased to a local farmer.

That same distributor is supposed to sell ethanol free gas, but he
says no - he can't get it, so he can't sell it.

Why, I don't know.

All they sell up here is regular, medium & high test gas. No ethenol for
us. (so far)



A local oil dealer is advertising 100% pure unadulterated gasoline in
all grades. I'll try a tankful and let you guys know the results.

Gene wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:25:59 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

try to buy fuel
without ethanol.
Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.
I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.

Nobody, here, will admit to *what* they are selling.... and the
lawmakers like it that way because they fear people will shy away from
ethanol if they know it is there.

I predict that the first airplane that goes down on somebody's house
because the wasn't any disclosure that the mogas, was in reality E85,
is going to change a lot of things.

I was in Chattanooga for the weekend, an independent type gas station
was advertising non-ethenol gasoline.

On Aug 3, 9:48*am, NotNow wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:25:59 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:32:33 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

try to buy fuel
without ethanol.
Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.
I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.

Nobody, here, will admit to *what* they are selling.... and the
lawmakers like it that way because they fear people will shy away from
ethanol if they know it is there.

I predict that the first airplane that goes down on somebody's house
because the wasn't any disclosure that the mogas, was in reality E85,
is going to change a lot of things.

I was in Chattanooga for the weekend, an independent type gas station
was advertising non-ethenol gasoline.

I am guessing (speculating?) that the amount of fuel that has been
dumped due to being contaminated with water from having ethanol
exceeds the amount of fuel saved by using ethanol.

I really don't understand the deal with E10. Postulate, postulate. I
have no problems with leaving E10 in the boat tank over the winter, no
Stabil. Engine runs fine next year. Same with my generator and log
splitter. Perhaps it is SOME formulations or additive packages that
promote phase separation more/less than others. I use 76 almost
exclusively (station is handy). I fill the boat this year with multiple
5 gal trips to the station; didn't use dock fuel. Unless I'm going to
the San Juans, I usually fill the boat on the trailer at a land station,
coming and going.
JR

Frogwatch wrote:
Wife and I went to Cedar Key for our anniversary and took the Tolman
to explore some of the islands.
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JR North wrote:
I really don't understand the deal with E10. Postulate, postulate. I
have no problems with leaving E10 in the boat tank over the winter, no
Stabil. Engine runs fine next year. Same with my generator and log
splitter. Perhaps it is SOME formulations or additive packages that
promote phase separation more/less than others. I use 76 almost
exclusively (station is handy). I fill the boat this year with multiple
5 gal trips to the station; didn't use dock fuel. Unless I'm going to
the San Juans, I usually fill the boat on the trailer at a land station,
coming and going.
JR

Frogwatch wrote:
Wife and I went to Cedar Key for our anniversary and took the Tolman
to explore some of the islands.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth


Precisely. I had 60 gallons of "ethanoled" gasoline in Yo Ho over the
winter along with Sta-Bil. Engine started right up this season, first
try and no problems. The fuel filters get changed at the end of each
season.