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On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:54:09 -0700, JR North
wrote:

Perhaps it is SOME formulations or additive packages that
promote phase separation more/less than others.

I understand from talking to some friends in the Upper Mid-West that
it's a problem there. You do make an interesting point though.

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On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:54:09 -0700, JR North
wrote:

I really don't understand the deal with E10. Postulate, postulate. I
have no problems with leaving E10 in the boat tank over the winter, no
Stabil. Engine runs fine next year. Same with my generator and log
splitter. Perhaps it is SOME formulations or additive packages that
promote phase separation more/less than others. I use 76 almost
exclusively (station is handy). I fill the boat this year with multiple
5 gal trips to the station; didn't use dock fuel. Unless I'm going to
the San Juans, I usually fill the boat on the trailer at a land station,
coming and going.
JR

If you are going to the San Juan Islands that means you are in a cool
climate. I think that makes a difference. Here in SWFL things seem
to gum up much more quickly and that has accelerated a lot as E10 has
proliferated. I've had problems with two different outboards, and a
generator, all in the last 18 months or so. Prior to that, the last
gummed up carb that I had to deal with was in 1968.

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On Aug 3, 8:49*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:54:09 -0700, JR North

wrote:
I really don't understand the deal with E10. Postulate, postulate. I
have no problems with leaving E10 in the boat tank over the winter, no
Stabil. Engine runs fine next year. Same with my generator and log
splitter. Perhaps it is SOME formulations or additive packages that
promote phase separation more/less than others. I use 76 almost
exclusively (station is handy). I fill the boat this year with multiple
5 gal trips to the station; didn't use dock fuel. Unless I'm going to
the San Juans, I usually fill the boat on the trailer at a land station,
coming and going.
JR

If you are going to the San Juan Islands that means you are in a cool
climate. * I think that makes a difference. * Here in SWFL things seem
to gum up much more quickly and that has accelerated a lot as E10 has
proliferated. * I've had problems with two different outboards, and a
generator, all in the last 18 months or so. * Prior to that, the last
gummed up carb that I had to deal with was in 1968.

I am also skeptical of the problems with E10 but replacing the filters
and de-gumming the carbs does seem to have worked but I admit I may
have solved the problem without really knowing what it was. OTOH,
humidity here in Tallahassee is pretty extreme.

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Don White wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:36:01 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:07:10 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Here in SWFL I can get non-ethanol gas delivered to the house by one
of the local fuel dealers, 50 gallon minimum.
I've heard that you can get it up here too, but so far, no distributor
wil admit to selling it.
It's perfectly legal for off road (marine) usage, at least it is here.
Back when I had the F-250, I bought into a farmer's fuel co-op - I
qualified because "technically" we own a "farm" - even though the
fields are leased to a local farmer.

That same distributor is supposed to sell ethanol free gas, but he
says no - he can't get it, so he can't sell it.

Why, I don't know.

All they sell up here is regular, medium & high test gas. No ethenol for
us. (so far)



#1 What the hell is "high test"?

#2 How do you know you aren't getting E10? It will still say "Regular",
dummy.

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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:21:20 -0400, Gene
wrote:

Anybody remember the Sunoco pumps where you could dial up your choice
of octanes?

Yes, but I don't remember seeing octane numbers, just 200, 210,...,
260, etc. After a while they came out with 190 so they could post a
lower price on the street sign, but they really didn't want anyone to
actually buy it.

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"Gene" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:29:34 -0400, D wrote:

#1 What the hell is "high test"?

For the kids in the group..... years ago, it is what they called
"Premium" fuel.

Anybody remember the Sunoco pumps where you could dial up your choice
of octanes? (And before anybody gets too technical on me.... yes, they
went beyond the octane classifications into the research numbers....
all the way to 102, if I remember correctly.....
--

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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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I can remember gas stations in Toronto (late 60s) where you could dialup
what ratio of 2 stroke oil you wanted in your gas.
Don't believe we had any here.

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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:21:20 -0400, Gene
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:29:34 -0400, D wrote:

#1 What the hell is "high test"?

For the kids in the group..... years ago, it is what they called
"Premium" fuel.

Anybody remember the Sunoco pumps where you could dial up your choice
of octanes? (And before anybody gets too technical on me.... yes, they
went beyond the octane classifications into the research numbers....
all the way to 102, if I remember correctly.....

I remember them. Also remember the Purple Martin stations around here
that sold about 6 grades on their pumps.
The high price one was Super Purple Martin Special Ethyl.
Never bought it, but got a grin out of the name.
Remember when gas stations gave away stuff for a fill-up?
Our kitchen was loaded with glass tumblers and plates from gas
stations.
Dunkin Donuts had a deal back in the early 80's where they sold
a cup of coffee in a car cup for a buck.
I ended up with at least a dozen of them and still have 3 left.
Good cups. When somebody would see on they would want one so I gave
them away. But not my last 3. Only have 2 lids though.

--Vic

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On Aug 8, 12:06*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:56:41 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Remember when gas stations gave away stuff for a fill-up?
Our kitchen was loaded with glass tumblers and plates from gas
stations.

We did, too..... and nobody ever *bought* a map! Patooie... and
licking those crappy S&H Green Stamps.... blech... Now, if I can just
find that tiger tail for the gas cap.
--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

Or those orange plastic horse shoes you could put on the back of your
car.

Phillips 66, I believe.

BTW, interesting story about the name Phillips "66" incidentally.

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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:59:05 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


Yes, but I don't remember seeing octane numbers, just 200, 210,..., 260,
etc. After a while they came out with 190 so they could post a lower
price on the street sign, but they really didn't want anyone to actually
buy it.

I remember that, Economy grade, IIRC. If you asked for Regular, you paid
a few cents more, at least at that time, for one of the higher grades.

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thunder wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:59:05 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


Yes, but I don't remember seeing octane numbers, just 200, 210,..., 260,
etc. After a while they came out with 190 so they could post a lower
price on the street sign, but they really didn't want anyone to actually
buy it.

I remember that, Economy grade, IIRC. If you asked for Regular, you paid
a few cents more, at least at that time, for one of the higher grades.

I've got one of those kerosene wick heaters in my garage. The little
convenience store that sells good clean kero here dispenses it from an
old pump that actually has the scrolling mechanical numbers. My son was
just absolutely astonished! Never seen anything but digital!