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Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at that
point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and paleotemperature
proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed significantly over the
last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic
studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are
all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and most likely 1200
years. It appears that the global warming of the last century is
unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth has
heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the last Ice
Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the
warming afterwards?


It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.

Yes, yes it does.. If you don't know what caused the earth to do this on
it's own for millions of years, how can you eliminate "it" as the cause
this time? Sorry Loogie, that just defies logic.




No it doesn't! We are now talking about a set of circumstances that has
never occured before (pollution from industrial revolution coinciding
with temp. rises). Ergo, beyond that there is no history to it.