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Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a
guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band
wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free"
when the republican politicians are forcing everyone in their
party to be darned near militant in telling everyone that
global warming just isn't happening despite all of the data
proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has
warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a
reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent
years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a
global basis, of the last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It
appears that the global warming of the last century is
unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming.
Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to
cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age
500 years ago? And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the
past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the
right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not
enter into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building
for me. You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses,
strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd
want me to design by a standard that was a few million years old.

Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing
to codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because
of history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?

What effect did Mount Pinatubo's eruption have on the Earth's atmosphere?