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Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
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BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.

True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H

And the conservative fallback is to blame it on Clinton.

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Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.

True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H

Probably because even the libs can't figure out his bizarre moves.

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On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:17:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.

True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H

And the conservative fallback is to blame it on Clinton.

Conservative fallback to what? Bush isn't in office, so it's for sure
no one is trying to defend him.

Besides, is that rationale supposed to explain Obama's behavior?
--

John H

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On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:19:31 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.

True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H

Probably because even the libs can't figure out his bizarre moves.

I *think* that since Clinton believed Saddam had weapons of mass
destruction, anything Obama does is OK.
--

John H

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Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:17:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.
True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H
And the conservative fallback is to blame it on Clinton.

Conservative fallback to what? Bush isn't in office, so it's for sure
no one is trying to defend him.

Besides, is that rationale supposed to explain Obama's behavior?
--

John H

The only person who can explain Obama's behavior is Obama.

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Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:19:31 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.
True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H
Probably because even the libs can't figure out his bizarre moves.

I *think* that since Clinton believed Saddam had weapons of mass
destruction, anything Obama does is OK.
--

John H

There you go, that's the conservative way! It IS Clinton's fault!

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On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:04:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:17:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.
True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H
And the conservative fallback is to blame it on Clinton.

Conservative fallback to what? Bush isn't in office, so it's for sure
no one is trying to defend him.

Besides, is that rationale supposed to explain Obama's behavior?
--

John H

The only person who can explain Obama's behavior is Obama.

Now that's the damn truth!
--

John H

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On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:05:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:


I *think* that since Clinton believed Saddam had weapons of mass
destruction, anything Obama does is OK.
--

John H

There you go, that's the conservative way! It IS Clinton's fault!

:)
--

John H

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NotNow wrote:
Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about
a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html


Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band
wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free"
when the republican politicians are forcing everyone in
their party to be darned near militant in telling everyone
that global warming just isn't happening despite all of the
data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has
warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming
is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that
recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are all the
warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and most likely
1200 years. It appears that the global warming of the last
century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global
warming. Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life. What
did man do to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago?
The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the
past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why
the right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does
not enter into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a
building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as they are based
on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses,
strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy,
you'd want me to design by a standard that was a few million
years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in time
doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves things
like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc. have to do
with man made pollution and it's affects on climate that is
occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest
about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html


Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band
wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice
free" when the republican politicians are forcing everyone
in their party to be darned near militant in telling
everyone that global warming just isn't happening despite
all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth
has warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global
Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies
indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century
are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and
most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global warming
of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global
warming. Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life.
What did man do to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years
ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the warming
afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in
the past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's
why the right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does
not enter into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a
building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as they are based
on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses,
strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy,
you'd want me to design by a standard that was a few million
years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you
stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in
time doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves
things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc.
have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on climate
that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)

Back to work? A liberal socialist wouldn't be caught dead uttering those
words.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)



You still cleaning out stables, or were you fired from that job, too?

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Little John wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:04:40 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:17:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:07:40 -0400, "it's me, Jim" "j i
wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:26:47 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy
with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal
revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at
that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be
darned near militant in telling everyone that global warming just
isn't happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed
significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality.
Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s,
and the 20th century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth
has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the
last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago?
And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does not enter
into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a building for me.
You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses, strains,
etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy, you'd want me to
design by a standard that was a few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be designing to
codes at are as first written. They would not be changed because of
history. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.


The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific problem,
not problems in general. As far as the topic I was discussing, history
does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the cataclysmic events that shaped
the climate at a given point in time doesn't matter anymore. What does a
history that involves things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting
earth, etc. have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on
climate that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does?
--

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!
Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.
From where came that?

My comment had to do with the use of Bush as a rationale for Obama's
behavior.
--

John H
It's impossible to rationalize Oh-Bah-Mah's behavior.
True. But the liberal fall back is to compare to Bush. Can't figure
out why they don't just discuss his behavior as is.

Embarrassed?
--

John H
And the conservative fallback is to blame it on Clinton.
Conservative fallback to what? Bush isn't in office, so it's for sure
no one is trying to defend him.

Besides, is that rationale supposed to explain Obama's behavior?
--

John H
The only person who can explain Obama's behavior is Obama.

Now that's the damn truth!
--

John H

It's that way with anybody.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

"it's me, Jim" "j i wrote in message
...
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about
a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band
wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free"
when the republican politicians are forcing everyone in
their party to be darned near militant in telling everyone
that global warming just isn't happening despite all of the
data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has
warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global Warming
is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies indicate that
recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are all the
warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and most likely
1200 years. It appears that the global warming of the last
century is unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming.
Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do
to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice
age 500 years ago? And the warming afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the
past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the
right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history does
not enter into science. I am not sure I want you engineering a
building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as they are based on
history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths, stresses,
strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using your analogy,
you'd want me to design by a standard that was a few million years
old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you
stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in time
doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves things
like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc. have to do
with man made pollution and it's affects on climate that is occuring
right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)

Back to work? A liberal socialist wouldn't be caught dead uttering those
words.

Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his wifes
kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

Don White wrote:


Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his wifes
kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.


Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the
bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature
video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

it's me, Jim wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest
about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html


Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming
band wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice
free" when the republican politicians are forcing
everyone in their party to be darned near militant in
telling everyone that global warming just isn't happening
despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth
has warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global
Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies
indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century
are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600,
and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the global
warming of the last century is unprecedented in the last
1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global
warming. Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life.
What did man do to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000 years
ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the warming
afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in
the past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's
why the right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history
does not enter into science. I am not sure I want you
engineering a building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as
they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths,
stresses, strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using
your analogy, you'd want me to design by a standard that was a
few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you
stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in
time doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves
things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc.
have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on climate
that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)

Back to work? A liberal socialist wouldn't be caught dead uttering those
words.

I'm fairly liberal and have worked my ass off all of my life.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:46:40 -0400, H the K wrote:

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

And they are extremely dangerous. There's been a couple of hundred
racers killed on the Isle of Man races alone.

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:


Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his wifes
kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.


Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the bikes
roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature video
cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.


Didn't see that race. Usually they are presented on one of the many cable
stations and I only come across them by accident.
What I'm always amazed about is the lack of real boating shows...(not
fishing shows, which are a dime a dozen)

Northwest Passage Open for Business
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:46:40 -0400, H the K wrote:

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

And they are extremely dangerous. There's been a couple of hundred
racers killed on the Isle of Man races alone.


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

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Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:

Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his wifes
kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.

Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the bikes
roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature video
cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.


Didn't see that race. Usually they are presented on one of the many cable
stations and I only come across them by accident.
What I'm always amazed about is the lack of real boating shows...(not
fishing shows, which are a dime a dozen)




We have an embarrassment of riches in boat shows down here...the big
Annapolis shows, the DC show, there's a pretty big show out by Dulles
Airport, and at least a have dozen other mostly boating shows in the
general area. Once you've been to the Annapolis shows, though, the other
area shows look...small.

The best boat shows I've seen in recent years, though, have been the
Miami "International" shows. Mind-boggling in size...both on land and in
the water. Lots of demo rides, too. Best time of year, typically, to be
in south Florida, usually February, when your northern clime is a
bit...chilly.

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"H the K" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:

Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.

Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the
bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature
video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.


Didn't see that race. Usually they are presented on one of the many
cable stations and I only come across them by accident.
What I'm always amazed about is the lack of real boating shows...(not
fishing shows, which are a dime a dozen)


We have an embarrassment of riches in boat shows down here...the big
Annapolis shows, the DC show, there's a pretty big show out by Dulles
Airport, and at least a have dozen other mostly boating shows in the
general area. Once you've been to the Annapolis shows, though, the other
area shows look...small.

The best boat shows I've seen in recent years, though, have been the Miami
"International" shows. Mind-boggling in size...both on land and in the
water. Lots of demo rides, too. Best time of year, typically, to be in
south Florida, usually February, when your northern clime is a
bit...chilly.

One of my Air Force cousins is being transfered to an American base near the
Lockheed Martin plant in Georgia for approx 3 years.
He'll be working on the procurement of about 17 new Hercules transport
aircraft http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/c130/index.html
I was teasing him about spending some time with him over our colder months.
I'd probably have to stand in line...he has two brothers, four sisters and
about a zillion cousins.

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On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:11:22 -0400, H the K wrote:


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

It's not the rider hitting the road. It's the rider hitting what lines
the road, and in the case of the Isle of Man, that would be rocks,
buildings, and other very hard objects. Hell, most motorcycle races
don't even like closed car tracks. Car tracks are lined with ARMCO, and
such, to keep the cars on the course. Motorcycle courses tend to have
open sides, to allow for longer slides.


But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

Motorcycle racing is one of my favorites. I don't watch it much anymore,
but it's like a high speed ballet, very graceful, at least to me.

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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:11:22 -0400, H the K wrote:


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

It's not the rider hitting the road. It's the rider hitting what lines
the road, and in the case of the Isle of Man, that would be rocks,
buildings, and other very hard objects. Hell, most motorcycle races
don't even like closed car tracks. Car tracks are lined with ARMCO, and
such, to keep the cars on the course. Motorcycle courses tend to have
open sides, to allow for longer slides.


But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

Motorcycle racing is one of my favorites. I don't watch it much anymore,
but it's like a high speed ballet, very graceful, at least to me.


Yes it is, especially the sidecar races...

But for the noise, I could probably fall asleep at a typical NASCAR
"left turn only" race.

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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:11:22 -0400, H the K wrote:


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

It's not the rider hitting the road. It's the rider hitting what lines
the road, and in the case of the Isle of Man, that would be rocks,
buildings, and other very hard objects. Hell, most motorcycle races
don't even like closed car tracks. Car tracks are lined with ARMCO, and
such, to keep the cars on the course. Motorcycle courses tend to have
open sides, to allow for longer slides.


But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

Motorcycle racing is one of my favorites. I don't watch it much anymore,
but it's like a high speed ballet, very graceful, at least to me.

So, let's see. Harry has constantly ****ted on anything that Scotty says
about his daughter's love of motorcycle racing and bonding with dad.
BUT, he just loves to watch motorcycle riders eat pavement.....WAFA

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NotNow wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:11:22 -0400, H the K wrote:


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

It's not the rider hitting the road. It's the rider hitting what
lines the road, and in the case of the Isle of Man, that would be
rocks, buildings, and other very hard objects. Hell, most motorcycle
races don't even like closed car tracks. Car tracks are lined with
ARMCO, and such, to keep the cars on the course. Motorcycle courses
tend to have open sides, to allow for longer slides.


But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

Motorcycle racing is one of my favorites. I don't watch it much
anymore, but it's like a high speed ballet, very graceful, at least to
me.

So, let's see. Harry has constantly ****ted on anything that Scotty says
about his daughter's love of motorcycle racing and bonding with dad.
BUT, he just loves to watch motorcycle riders eat pavement.....WAFA

Team Rowdy Mouse includes a street racer who is actually pretty good. I
will see if I can dig up the video of him at Loudon a few weeks back...
He got an inside line on a guy but the guy came down on him and they
both went skidding off the track, both stayed up though. The rest of the
race was great with the guy chasing Dan having a helmet cam. Made for a
great video but Dan held him off the whole race.. Our buddy offered to
train The Mouse and help her get her licence but she insists "not until
they put some jumps on that track"... ;)

Our team is growing pretty fast. We all camp together. Brianna is number
one in the Women's B class at age 14, her brother is number two in the
7-11 year old 65 class. Mikey is number 2 in the 65 with two wins this
season, number three in the 85 class he just started this seaaon, and
5th in the 65 all ages class, The Mouse is number 6 in the Womens C with
three races missed, no DNF's... We have a couple of pledges coming on
strong too. Our home track makes a great showing every weekend, they all
know who we are..;)

Rowdy Mouse Racing, Comin' on strong!

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Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:11:22 -0400, H the K wrote:


I saw two "solo" wipe-outs while I was watching. One of the
commentators
said that in both cases, a set of custom leathers and pads made by an
Italian factory whose name I cannot recall kept the riders from
sustaining serious injuries. They both got right up and walked off the
track.

It's not the rider hitting the road. It's the rider hitting what
lines the road, and in the case of the Isle of Man, that would be
rocks, buildings, and other very hard objects. Hell, most motorcycle
races don't even like closed car tracks. Car tracks are lined with
ARMCO, and such, to keep the cars on the course. Motorcycle courses
tend to have open sides, to allow for longer slides.


But, surely, there are few blood sports more dangerous than high speed
open road motorcycle racing.

Motorcycle racing is one of my favorites. I don't watch it much
anymore, but it's like a high speed ballet, very graceful, at least
to me.

So, let's see. Harry has constantly ****ted on anything that Scotty
says about his daughter's love of motorcycle racing and bonding with
dad. BUT, he just loves to watch motorcycle riders eat pavement.....WAFA

Team Rowdy Mouse includes a street racer who is actually pretty good.



What's his/her name...I'll look for him at the Isle of Man TT next year.

I wonder what is wrong with your buddy's loogy's synapses. I certainly
never said or implied I "love to watch motorcycle riders eat pavement,"
although I wouldn't mind seeing you or loogy slam into a bridge
abutment. Might, just might, knock a bit of sense into one of you.

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H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:


Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.


Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the
bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature
video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

How does the great WAFA find time to watch TV?

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NotNow wrote:
it's me, Jim wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Drifting John wrote:
On Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:34:04 -0400, NotNow wrote:

John Again wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:45:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest
about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html


Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and
Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama
Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming
band wagon at that point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice
free" when the republican politicians are forcing
everyone in their party to be darned near militant in
telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and
paleotemperature proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth
has warmed significantly over the last 140 years; Global
Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic studies
indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th
century are all the warmest, on a global basis, of the
last 600, and most likely 1200 years. It appears that the
global warming of the last century is unprecedented in the
last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global
warming. Earth has heated and cooled for it whole life.
What did man do to cause the last Ice Age about 15,000
years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the warming
afterwards?
It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in
the past. We are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's
why the right's insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.
Now the past does not matter in global warming and history
does not enter into science. I am not sure I want you
engineering a building for me. You would ignore codes, etc as
they are based on history.
Uh, no not really. Codes are based on known strengths,
stresses, strains, etc. And you use the CURRENT code. Using
your analogy, you'd want me to design by a standard that was a
few million years old.
Nope, what I said if history did not matter. You would be
designing to codes at are as first written. They would not be
changed because of history. Exactly the opposite of what you
stated.

The problem here is simple. *I* was talking about a specific
problem, not problems in general. As far as the topic I was
discussing, history does not matter. Why? Simple. Because the
cataclysmic events that shaped the climate at a given point in
time doesn't matter anymore. What does a history that involves
things like super volcanoes, giant meteors hitting earth, etc.
have to do with man made pollution and it's affects on climate
that is occuring right now?
If history doesn't matter, why look back 140 years?
WHOOSH!
Or, why use Bush as an excuse for everything Obama does? --

The same reason why Clinton is an excuse for everything Bush does!

Bush doesn't do.

Obama does.

Using Bush as the justification for Obama's actions doesn't say much
for Obama, does it?
--

John H
As usual.
Anything liberal = lying, blaming, nothing good everything bad
Anything conservative = complete honesty, never blaming, everything
wonderful.

Finally you get it.. Now I can go back to work ;)

Back to work? A liberal socialist wouldn't be caught dead uttering
those words.

I'm fairly liberal and have worked my ass off all of my life.

Read: liberal socialist

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it's me, Jim wrote:
H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:


Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.


Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the
rebroadcasts of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great
race course, 30+ miles I think, around that island in the Irish
Sea...twistys, hills, airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130
mph in some classes, sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you
can actually see the bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the
bikes had miniature video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter
cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

How does the great WAFA find time to watch TV?

Oh, you know the drill. He really hasn't a clue what he's talking about,
just another of his look at me, look at me stories. I'm sure it'll
evolve to a story about how his father raced a motorcycle across the
U.S. and back or some such bull****.

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:46:40 -0400, H the K wrote:

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

And they are extremely dangerous. There's been a couple of hundred
racers killed on the Isle of Man races alone.

One of the funniest races I ever saw was the films of the motor scooter
races at Isle of Man

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H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:

Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.

Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the
rebroadcasts of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great
race course, 30+ miles I think, around that island in the Irish
Sea...twistys, hills, airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging*
125-130 mph in some classes, sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas
where you can actually see the bikes roar by a few feet away, plus
many of the bikes had miniature video cameras mounted *and* there
were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts
of open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.


Didn't see that race. Usually they are presented on one of the many
cable stations and I only come across them by accident.
What I'm always amazed about is the lack of real boating shows...(not
fishing shows, which are a dime a dozen)



We have an embarrassment of riches in boat shows down here...the big
Annapolis shows, the DC show, there's a pretty big show out by Dulles
Airport, and at least a have dozen other mostly boating shows in the
general area. Once you've been to the Annapolis shows, though, the other
area shows look...small.

The best boat shows I've seen in recent years, though, have been the
Miami "International" shows. Mind-boggling in size...both on land and in
the water. Lots of demo rides, too. Best time of year, typically, to be
in south Florida, usually February, when your northern clime is a
bit...chilly.

Harry,
You idiot, if you spent a half a second reading his post, you would have
realized he was talking about TV shows. You were too busy thinking
about what you were going to say to be able to understand what DD was
talking about.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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In article ,
says...

Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at that
point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and paleotemperature
proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed significantly over the
last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic
studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are
all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and most likely 1200
years. It appears that the global warming of the last century is
unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.

The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth has
heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the last Ice
Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the
warming afterwards?



It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.

Yes, yes it does.. If you don't know what caused the earth to do this on
it's own for millions of years, how can you eliminate "it" as the cause
this time? Sorry Loogie, that just defies logic.

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Ran across this after seeing an article in boattest about a guy with a
Nordhavn doing the trip Atlantic to Pacific.
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...y/1620336.html

Weird when you consider the travails of Franklin and Amundsen.
If the passage gets going good it could affect Panama Canal revenues.
You could see the Chinese jump on the Global Warming band wagon at that
point.
I wonder how the passage is getting "increasingly ice free" when the
republican politicians are forcing everyone in their party to be darned
near militant in telling everyone that global warming just isn't
happening despite all of the data proving otherwise?
Where is the peer reviewed data.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://wdc.cricyt.edu.ar/paleo/globalwarming/end.html
Which states in part:

When one reviews all the data, both from thermometers and paleotemperature
proxies, it becomes clear that the Earth has warmed significantly over the
last 140 years; Global Warming is a reality. Multiple paleoclimatic
studies indicate that recent years, the 1990s, and the 20th century are
all the warmest, on a global basis, of the last 600, and most likely 1200
years. It appears that the global warming of the last century is
unprecedented in the last 1,200 years.
The peer review does not address man causes for global warming. Earth has
heated and cooled for it whole life. What did man do to cause the last Ice
Age about 15,000 years ago? The mini ice age 500 years ago? And the
warming afterwards?


It does not matter what has happened and how it happened in the past. We
are talking about the CURRENT situation. That's why the right's
insistence that it isn't man made is non-think.

Yes, yes it does.. If you don't know what caused the earth to do this on
it's own for millions of years, how can you eliminate "it" as the cause
this time? Sorry Loogie, that just defies logic.




No it doesn't! We are now talking about a set of circumstances that has
never occured before (pollution from industrial revolution coinciding
with temp. rises). Ergo, beyond that there is no history to it.

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Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Don White wrote:

Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.
Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the rebroadcasts
of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great race course, 30+
miles I think, around that island in the Irish Sea...twistys, hills,
airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130 mph in some classes,
sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you can actually see the
bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the bikes had miniature
video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

Didn't see that race. Usually they are presented on one of the many
cable stations and I only come across them by accident.
What I'm always amazed about is the lack of real boating shows...(not
fishing shows, which are a dime a dozen)

We have an embarrassment of riches in boat shows down here...the big
Annapolis shows, the DC show, there's a pretty big show out by Dulles
Airport, and at least a have dozen other mostly boating shows in the
general area. Once you've been to the Annapolis shows, though, the other
area shows look...small.

The best boat shows I've seen in recent years, though, have been the Miami
"International" shows. Mind-boggling in size...both on land and in the
water. Lots of demo rides, too. Best time of year, typically, to be in
south Florida, usually February, when your northern clime is a
bit...chilly.

One of my Air Force cousins is being transfered to an American base near the
Lockheed Martin plant in Georgia for approx 3 years.
He'll be working on the procurement of about 17 new Hercules transport
aircraft http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/c130/index.html
I was teasing him about spending some time with him over our colder months.
I'd probably have to stand in line...he has two brothers, four sisters and
about a zillion cousins.



You will always be at the end of that line, I'm sure, dummy.

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it's me, Jim wrote:
H the K wrote:
Don White wrote:


Not to worry. The 'Freaks' definition of work is cluttering up his
wifes kitchen table with worn out kiddycycle parts.


Speaking of motorcycles, did you happen to catch any of the
rebroadcasts of the Isle of Man Tourist Trophy races? What a great
race course, 30+ miles I think, around that island in the Irish
Sea...twistys, hills, airborne motorcycles, speeds *averaging* 125-130
mph in some classes, sidecar motorcycle races...and vistas where you
can actually see the bikes roar by a few feet away, plus many of the
bikes had miniature video cameras mounted *and* there were helicopter
cameras, too.

The races were exciting, and the coverage was terrific. These sorts of
open road races have always been my favorites, cars or motorcycles.

How does the great WAFA find time to watch TV?

He's got one under his desk in his basement apartment.