Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Read for yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

jps wrote:
Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Read for yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”


Cops lie all the time in order to cover their backsides and the
backsides of other cops.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:15:41 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


I doubt that this is any more accurate than FOX's usual reporting.

I also believe that, in the future, should anybody notice any
suspicious characters around Gates' house doing... whatever... there
is about a .0004% chance that anybody will involve themselves in
another one of his highly publicized hissy fits.

Just desserts.

Why couldn't he just show a picture ID with an address and thank the
cops for doing their job... protecting his property?

I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:02:52 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

Glenn, is that you?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a
house to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go
on their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?



Damn. Guess we were lucky.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and
thanked Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have
made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor
black individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

Just a reminder that the OJ Simpson case was 20 years ago and 2600 miles
away. By your logic I should still be hating the Italians because 2000
years ago they carried my German ancestors off to Rome in slavery.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can
be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.


Maybe the cop should have thrown Gates down a staircase, as the cops did
with The Freak here. Wonder what The Freak did to earn that sort of
treatment?




--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

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"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political
party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being
discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and
you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep
into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where
Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.






--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"H the K" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established. Read for
yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”


Cops lie all the time in order to cover their backsides and the backsides
of other cops.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Only the ones in police unions.

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"H the K" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn.
You think you can not be arrested?

Damn. Guess we were lucky.




Nope, you live in a skanky neighborhood. And since it was just you most
likely, the neighbors ignored the gun nut.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says, so
therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police lie"
routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your while.

Eisboch

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Apples and oranges. I was commenting on the arrest, not the circumstances.
And he was also not inside his home.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Especially cops of color.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says,
so therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police
lie" routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your while.

Eisboch


You "tout" police reports as if they were documents that have been
vetted by anyone other than cops covering their backsides.

Oh...and there seem to be some "discrepancies" between the police report
and Crowley's statements.

:)


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can not be arrested?


Yep. We held a wedding and reception on our property in Florida. Band
music was loud and eventually, as the evening became late complaints were
filed. I had two visits from the police. One was a warning. The second
was an immediate demand to kill the music and quiet down or the bride and
groom would spend their honeymoon night in jail.

I cooperated with the police.

Eisboch

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"jps" wrote in message
...

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Of course not. Police lie. All the time. Bad, bad police.
Better off without them.

Eisboch

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


Yep. We held a wedding and reception on our property in Florida. Band
music was loud and eventually, as the evening became late complaints
were filed. I had two visits from the police. One was a warning. The
second was an immediate demand to kill the music and quiet down or the
bride and groom would spend their honeymoon night in jail.

I cooperated with the police.

Eisboch


Locked into a cell on the wedding night...kinky! :)

--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:10:55 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Of course not. Police lie. All the time. Bad, bad police.
Better off without them.

Eisboch

Are you putting words in my mouth or just being petulant?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says,
so therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police
lie" routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your
while.

Eisboch


You "tout" police reports as if they were documents that have been vetted
by anyone other than cops covering their backsides.

Oh...and there seem to be some "discrepancies" between the police report
and Crowley's statements.

:)


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

And Clark signed an agreement to let things be. As he most likely showed up
bad on the police video. But he is the one to break that agreement to pimp
some documentary he is or has made.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:00:23 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political
party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being
discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Oh no, Richard's an "independent."

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

Oh yeah. They don't like havin' a black boy runnin' things. You can
see it in the birther's eyes. It's nothing to do with a certificate,
it's about his daddy bein' black.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and
you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep
into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where
Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.

Absolutely. He's Kenyan. He ain't no Merican.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:04:15 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says, so
therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police lie"
routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your while.

Eisboch

It may have been his honest recollection that the caller said
something about black.

She didn't say anything about color but that's what he saw in his
mind's eye as she was describing the situation.

It's just part of our conditioning.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political party
of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being discussed
openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and you
will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep into
the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where Obama
was born, and everything to do with his skin color.


I am rapidly approaching 60 years old and have a quite full bucket of life
experience. That adult experience started with almost 9 years in the
military service, entered into at a time when race relations were not what
they are today. Trust me. That was a crash course in the racial
disharmony that existed in the 60's.

I agree, as would anyone with half a brain, that there's still progress to
be made and racism still exists.
But we need to be careful that in the altruistic desire to achieve perfect
equality, respect and color blindness that people like you don't have *your*
heads so buried in the sand that you can't recognize and appreciate the
progress than has been made and therefore assume any event involving a
minority or person of color is representative of racism.

BTW, you are certainly a bit narrow in your thinking as well. Despite your
assumptions and repeated accusations, I am not a "Republican". Not a
"Democrat" either. I've pointed this out to you many times since you
decided I am not a big Obama fan in some things, yet you seem to think that
automatically makes me "one of them".

You like Palin more than I do.

Eisboch

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand
why people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the
elected leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a
daily basis to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the
political party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it
isn't being discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and
his ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your
boys...your white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in
the sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com
and you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig
deep into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do
with where Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.


I am rapidly approaching 60 years old and have a quite full bucket of
life experience. That adult experience started with almost 9 years in
the military service, entered into at a time when race relations were
not what they are today. Trust me. That was a crash course in the
racial disharmony that existed in the 60's.

I agree, as would anyone with half a brain, that there's still progress
to be made and racism still exists.
But we need to be careful that in the altruistic desire to achieve
perfect equality, respect and color blindness that people like you don't
have *your* heads so buried in the sand that you can't recognize and
appreciate the progress than has been made and therefore assume any
event involving a minority or person of color is representative of racism.

BTW, you are certainly a bit narrow in your thinking as well. Despite
your assumptions and repeated accusations, I am not a "Republican". Not
a "Democrat" either. I've pointed this out to you many times since you
decided I am not a big Obama fan in some things, yet you seem to think
that automatically makes me "one of them".

You like Palin more than I do.

Eisboch



I've never stated or intimated progress was not being made. It is.

For the reasons I have stated, that she will lead the GOP to more
defeats, I do like Palin. I wish her every success in staying prominent
in the GOP...



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:46:40 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand
why people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the
elected leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a
daily basis to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the
political party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it
isn't being discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and
his ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your
boys...your white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in
the sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com
and you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig
deep into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do
with where Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.


I am rapidly approaching 60 years old and have a quite full bucket of
life experience. That adult experience started with almost 9 years in
the military service, entered into at a time when race relations were
not what they are today. Trust me. That was a crash course in the
racial disharmony that existed in the 60's.

I agree, as would anyone with half a brain, that there's still progress
to be made and racism still exists.
But we need to be careful that in the altruistic desire to achieve
perfect equality, respect and color blindness that people like you don't
have *your* heads so buried in the sand that you can't recognize and
appreciate the progress than has been made and therefore assume any
event involving a minority or person of color is representative of racism.

BTW, you are certainly a bit narrow in your thinking as well. Despite
your assumptions and repeated accusations, I am not a "Republican". Not
a "Democrat" either. I've pointed this out to you many times since you
decided I am not a big Obama fan in some things, yet you seem to think
that automatically makes me "one of them".

You like Palin more than I do.

Eisboch



I've never stated or intimated progress was not being made. It is.

For the reasons I have stated, that she will lead the GOP to more
defeats, I do like Palin. I wish her every success in staying prominent
in the GOP...

She's so mavericky! She loves Alaska and wants so much to do right by
Alaska that she quit. Dang that's mavericky!

I wish her every success too. She and Glenn Beck would make one hell
of a Fox & Friends Replacement team. We'd have cities burnin' before
you know it!

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?