Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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Calif Bill wrote:
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who walk
with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his
house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs
and followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and
made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it
turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the
cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his
house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs
and followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and
made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it
turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.





--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who walk
with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public. If
Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his
house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs and
followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and made
a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it turns
out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera, so
forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the Thrilla
from Wasilla sees.




Maybe he should not be a professor. And yes he does see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
signs. He is already pimping his "documentary"

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.
Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think
you
can
not be arrested?


"in their own home".

He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.
I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.
He is probably a gun nut.
And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?


He is obviously taking stupid pills...

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing
psychoactive drugs.

Take your pick Bill, one or the other.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't
have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested
no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely
react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested
him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing
psychoactive drugs.

Take your pick Bill, one or the other.

Nope, just because you are in to transvestites, does not mean I am in to
drugs.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:43:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
om...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't
have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested
no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely
react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested
him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing
psychoactive drugs.

Take your pick Bill, one or the other.

Nope, just because you are in to transvestites, does not mean I am in to
drugs.

I bet you're secretly into both. Why else would you live on Nancy
Pelosi's home turf?

You were jealous of all those psychedelic free love hippies crowding
around your office in the Haight. You wanted some of what they had
but were too much of a dweeb to mix.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can
be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want
to do.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

See above.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside
his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar
signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into
public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he
wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established. Read for
yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”


Cops lie all the time in order to cover their backsides and the
backsides of other cops.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Only the ones in police unions.


Harry talking about how other people lie.....now THAT'S funny!!!!

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates
saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his
residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what
he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny
than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et
cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's
what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made
for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you
can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your
front lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's
where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so
these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want
to do.

There is really no way for you to know that... Logic would say that it
is not his list topper for things to do, but say what you wish. I am
sure the guys boss *did* tell him to get his ass to Washington. Either
way, the only ones who get anything out of this is Gates and Obama...


Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

See above.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Among the thousands of ignorant,racist, bigoted remarks made by Krause
this one stands out to? Why, pray tell?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.



Exactly...

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.



Here's Harry's idea of an esteemed, great gentleman:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...s-charity.html

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

J i m wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Among the thousands of ignorant,racist, bigoted remarks made by Krause
this one stands out to? Why, pray tell?

Because it's particularly outrageous and borderline insane!

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors
who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing
with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But,
Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of
his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got
what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more
scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of
a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et
cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's
what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity
whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.



You're a delusional moron.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Say what? Where are you a judge? Where did you graduate law school?

Probable cause was there .... where the facts and evidence would lead a
prudent and reasonable man to conclude a crime had taken place or was to
take place. The neighbor witnessed him busting down his own door, but
didn't recognize him. Thus, I would conclude that the person seen busting
down the door was not the owner.

And that poor neighbor. Now being put through the mill. Just to teach
everyone that if you mess with Big Purple Lips, you will get run through
also.

Having them both over for beer this evening? I would have told Obama that I
would be over AFTER he made a public apology to every PO in the world.

But that's just me, yer honor.

Steve

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


I doubt that this is any more accurate than FOX's usual reporting.

I also believe that, in the future, should anybody notice any
suspicious characters around Gates' house doing... whatever... there
is about a .0004% chance that anybody will involve themselves in
another one of his highly publicized hissy fits.

Just desserts.

Why couldn't he just show a picture ID with an address and thank the
cops for doing their job... protecting his property?

He just wouldn't shut the **** up.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

He just carries it when he wants a good table at the restaurant or a closer
parking space.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

I'm a person of color. If not, no one would see me.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:26:25 -0400, BAR wrote:

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside
his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar
signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into
public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he
wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.

Where the definition of whore is participant.

You are a participant too.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:12:57 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


I doubt that this is any more accurate than FOX's usual reporting.

I also believe that, in the future, should anybody notice any
suspicious characters around Gates' house doing... whatever... there
is about a .0004% chance that anybody will involve themselves in
another one of his highly publicized hissy fits.

Just desserts.

Why couldn't he just show a picture ID with an address and thank the
cops for doing their job... protecting his property?

He just wouldn't shut the **** up.

He's not sheeple like you.

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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:12:15 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Say what? Where are you a judge? Where did you graduate law school?

Probable cause was there .... where the facts and evidence would lead a
prudent and reasonable man to conclude a crime had taken place or was to
take place. The neighbor witnessed him busting down his own door, but
didn't recognize him. Thus, I would conclude that the person seen busting
down the door was not the owner.

And that poor neighbor. Now being put through the mill. Just to teach
everyone that if you mess with Big Purple Lips, you will get run through
also.

Having them both over for beer this evening? I would have told Obama that I
would be over AFTER he made a public apology to every PO in the world.

But that's just me, yer honor.

Steve

And where did you obtain your JD? The opinion is not mine, it's the
opinion of a judge who was on Fox News.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:30:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:18:03 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

Everyone hates the cops until they need one.

I have had many good experiences with cops in Seattle and find them to
be pretty exceptional folks. Well trained, patient and very human.

I'm a liberal in case you've missed that.

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:51:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

I take it you don't have friends who've been racially profiled. I
have first hand experience and let me tell you that it's ugly.

I was riding with a friend in South LA in a completely legal, properly
registered car with nothing wrong, no traffic infraction when we were
pulled over.

I was asked by the *BLACK COP* if I were okay and if I could vouch for
my friend. I looked at him and asked why the hell he required
vouching for? Why didn't he have to vouch for me? He didn't respond.

How would you like that sort of treatment for your skin color?

This is an everyday occurance in the black community. They've grown
up with it and come to expect they're prone to become subjects of
baseless, arbitrary harassment.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors
who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing
with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But,
Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of
his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got
what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more
scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of
a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et
cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs.
That's what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity
whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.



You're a delusional moron.

Shoot the messenger. Anything except talking about the issue.

Has Gates "given" anyone other than family members money from his
"charitable" foundation?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors
who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for
"screwing with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But,
Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of
his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates
got what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting
more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author
of a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow,
et cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs.
That's what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity
whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.



You're a delusional moron.

Shoot the messenger. Anything except talking about the issue.

Has Gates "given" anyone other than family members money from his
"charitable" foundation?


A. I consider the messenger when I consider the message.

B. I have no knowledge of Gates' foundation, nor do I give a damn about it.




--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

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"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:43:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news:ugj175hcgo9qkqmlh0okkbd24kk9l9fq68@4a x.com...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news:t2c175tvra30a3s7snjq2q3uaq0cm6klvg@ 4ax.com...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making
a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't
have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements
he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered
the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested
no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he
should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until
Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged
Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely
react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone
for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made
for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch,
where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested
him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer
and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates
hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time
I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And
did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before,
so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to
scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union
Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing
psychoactive drugs.

Take your pick Bill, one or the other.

Nope, just because you are in to transvestites, does not mean I am in to
drugs.

I bet you're secretly into both. Why else would you live on Nancy
Pelosi's home turf?

You were jealous of all those psychedelic free love hippies crowding
around your office in the Haight. You wanted some of what they had
but were too much of a dweeb to mix.

Pelosi is from turf near me. She is an idiot and not my Representative.
Jerry McNerney happens to be my Representative. Replaced another idiot,
Pombo.
Maybe to many brains. Understood the frying of brain cells was not doing
much good for most of the drug users in the area.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity
whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.



You're a delusional moron.





Really? You come across like every other over-opinionated,
"under-facted" rightie here.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:43:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:08:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:51:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

I take it you don't have friends who've been racially profiled. I
have first hand experience and let me tell you that it's ugly.

I was riding with a friend in South LA in a completely legal, properly
registered car with nothing wrong, no traffic infraction when we were
pulled over.

I was asked by the *BLACK COP* if I were okay and if I could vouch for
my friend. I looked at him and asked why the hell he required
vouching for? Why didn't he have to vouch for me? He didn't respond.

How would you like that sort of treatment for your skin color?

This is an everyday occurance in the black community. They've grown
up with it and come to expect they're prone to become subjects of
baseless, arbitrary harassment.


I got a ticket in Md for driving while being a cracker (Florida tags)
from a black state trooper and he actually called me "a cracker" to
the other cop who was there.
The funny thing was I really lived in Md at the time.
The unfunny thing was I wasn't speeding. Even the other cop laughed
when he heard the black cop trying to explain it since they were
running together (2 cars) at the time and his "pace" didn't come out
the same.
They ended up calling it 5 over but I still got the ticket, not a
warning or something ... and I was nice. I mailed in the 20 bucks.

How did it feel? Pretty stinky.

Expect your experience is 1% of what happens in the other direction.