BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.



Here's Harry's idea of an esteemed, great gentleman:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...s-charity.html

J i m wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Among the thousands of ignorant,racist, bigoted remarks made by Krause
this one stands out to? Why, pray tell?

Because it's particularly outrageous and borderline insane!

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors
who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing
with the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But,
Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of
his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got
what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more
scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of
a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et
cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's
what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity
whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.



You're a delusional moron.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Say what? Where are you a judge? Where did you graduate law school?

Probable cause was there .... where the facts and evidence would lead a
prudent and reasonable man to conclude a crime had taken place or was to
take place. The neighbor witnessed him busting down his own door, but
didn't recognize him. Thus, I would conclude that the person seen busting
down the door was not the owner.

And that poor neighbor. Now being put through the mill. Just to teach
everyone that if you mess with Big Purple Lips, you will get run through
also.

Having them both over for beer this evening? I would have told Obama that I
would be over AFTER he made a public apology to every PO in the world.

But that's just me, yer honor.

Steve

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


I doubt that this is any more accurate than FOX's usual reporting.

I also believe that, in the future, should anybody notice any
suspicious characters around Gates' house doing... whatever... there
is about a .0004% chance that anybody will involve themselves in
another one of his highly publicized hissy fits.

Just desserts.

Why couldn't he just show a picture ID with an address and thank the
cops for doing their job... protecting his property?

He just wouldn't shut the **** up.

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

He just carries it when he wants a good table at the restaurant or a closer
parking space.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

I'm a person of color. If not, no one would see me.

wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:18:03 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.
People of whiteness as well.

Casady

Everyone hates the cops until they need one.

The fact remains that these guys are machines, tied to "the book". It
looks like Crowley did all of this "by the book" and the outcome was
very predictable. I guarantee you, if you harangue your local cop you
will be hooked up and taken downtown. They will probably drop that
charge too when your lawyer shows up. (it is usually cheaper just to
pay the fine) If you can calm down and talk nice they still might let
you go for free.
Cops can't give special preference to well known professors or friends
of the president or else they stop being cops and become palace
guards.


The cops around here take their job of enforcing traffic violations
seriously.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:26:25 -0400, BAR wrote:

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside
his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar
signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into
public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he
wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.

Where the definition of whore is participant.

You are a participant too.