On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:02:52 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

Glenn, is that you?

Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a
house to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go
on their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

H K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and
thanked Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have
made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor
black individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

Just a reminder that the OJ Simpson case was 20 years ago and 2600 miles
away. By your logic I should still be hating the Italians because 2000
years ago they carried my German ancestors off to Rome in slavery.

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:15:46 -0400, H K
wrote:

People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

People of whiteness as well.

Casady

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Say what? Where are you a judge? Where did you graduate law school?

Probable cause was there .... where the facts and evidence would lead a
prudent and reasonable man to conclude a crime had taken place or was to
take place. The neighbor witnessed him busting down his own door, but
didn't recognize him. Thus, I would conclude that the person seen busting
down the door was not the owner.

And that poor neighbor. Now being put through the mill. Just to teach
everyone that if you mess with Big Purple Lips, you will get run through
also.

Having them both over for beer this evening? I would have told Obama that I
would be over AFTER he made a public apology to every PO in the world.

But that's just me, yer honor.

Steve

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:12:15 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

Say what? Where are you a judge? Where did you graduate law school?

Probable cause was there .... where the facts and evidence would lead a
prudent and reasonable man to conclude a crime had taken place or was to
take place. The neighbor witnessed him busting down his own door, but
didn't recognize him. Thus, I would conclude that the person seen busting
down the door was not the owner.

And that poor neighbor. Now being put through the mill. Just to teach
everyone that if you mess with Big Purple Lips, you will get run through
also.

Having them both over for beer this evening? I would have told Obama that I
would be over AFTER he made a public apology to every PO in the world.

But that's just me, yer honor.

Steve

And where did you obtain your JD? The opinion is not mine, it's the
opinion of a judge who was on Fox News.