Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
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People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political
party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being
discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and
you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep
into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where
Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.






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Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

"H the K" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established. Read for
yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”


Cops lie all the time in order to cover their backsides and the backsides
of other cops.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Only the ones in police unions.

"H the K" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn.
You think you can not be arrested?

Damn. Guess we were lucky.




Nope, you live in a skanky neighborhood. And since it was just you most
likely, the neighbors ignored the gun nut.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says, so
therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police lie"
routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your while.

Eisboch

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:


Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.


If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can
not be arrested?

That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Apples and oranges. I was commenting on the arrest, not the circumstances.
And he was also not inside his home.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"H K" wrote in message
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People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Especially cops of color.

Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:27:18 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:34:36 -0700, jps penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I didn't realize you were there... So sorry.

I speak (and read) English.... it is my mother tongue......

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...092gates1.html

Ah yes, the smoking gun. Probably equally as faithful as Fox News,
Worldnet Daily or the Washington Times.

You know the problem is that you don't like what the police report says,
so therefore people like you and Harry automatically go to the "police
lie" routine.

If the police lie, then we truly live in a lawless society.
If we live in a lawless society, you may as well make it worth your while.

Eisboch


You "tout" police reports as if they were documents that have been
vetted by anyone other than cops covering their backsides.

Oh...and there seem to be some "discrepancies" between the police report
and Crowley's statements.

:)


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you
can not be arrested?


Yep. We held a wedding and reception on our property in Florida. Band
music was loud and eventually, as the evening became late complaints were
filed. I had two visits from the police. One was a warning. The second
was an immediate demand to kill the music and quiet down or the bride and
groom would spend their honeymoon night in jail.

I cooperated with the police.

Eisboch

"jps" wrote in message
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That wasn't the circumstance, as you well know.

Of course not. Police lie. All the time. Bad, bad police.
Better off without them.

Eisboch