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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? Damn. Guess we were lucky. -- Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"H the K" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? Damn. Guess we were lucky. Nope, you live in a skanky neighborhood. And since it was just you most likely, the neighbors ignored the gun nut. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****. Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****. Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him. Maybe the cop should have thrown Gates down a staircase, as the cops did with The Freak here. Wonder what The Freak did to earn that sort of treatment? -- Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****. No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want to do. Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him. See above. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote: NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****. No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want to do. There is really no way for you to know that... Logic would say that it is not his list topper for things to do, but say what you wish. I am sure the guys boss *did* tell him to get his ass to Washington. Either way, the only ones who get anything out of this is Gates and Obama... Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him. See above. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. |
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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. |
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