jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:02:52 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a house
to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go on
their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.

Glenn, is that you?

Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.
If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,

BTW, it wasn't Gates' obligation to act professionally. It certainly
was Crowley's. That Gates wasn't civil is dissappointing. The
incident clearly pushed a button and Crowley allowed it to get out of
hand.


Out here in the sticks, the cops seem perfectly well-behaved when
dealing with unarmed, non-threatening citizens, even when you fool
around with them. They all seem to have a sense of humor, and,
hopefully, are unflappable. I suspect if they were dispatched to a
house to check out a burglary, and encountered the resident, they'd go
on their way without instigating an incident.



If they know the resident. As I understand Gates was rent the house
that belonged to the college. Therefore was not the know occupant of
the house.

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and thanked
Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor black
individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

H K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
H the K wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

Sgt Crowley reacted exactly as he should have, and does not have to
apologize for his actions. If Gates had acted like a human, and
thanked Sgt Crowley for protecting his property this would not have
made the news.

Also obama would not have been exposed as a racist he is for assuming
that since the policeman was white, that he was harassing the poor
black individual.


It's always nice to have the frightened white man's perspective. Since
none of us know exactly what happened, you are speculating, just as just
about everyone else is.

From what I have read and observed over the years, I have concluded
that taking the side of the police in anything "controversial" regarding
racial matters is probably siding with the wrong side. If only the
police had been "honest" in the O.J. case, he probably would not have
gotten away with murder, eh? If the cops involved in murdering Amadou
Diallo hadn't lied for each other, one of them at least might have
served some time.


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.

Just a reminder that the OJ Simpson case was 20 years ago and 2600 miles
away. By your logic I should still be hating the Italians because 2000
years ago they carried my German ancestors off to Rome in slavery.

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political
party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being
discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and
you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep
into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where
Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.






--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:00:23 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political
party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being
discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Oh no, Richard's an "independent."

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

Oh yeah. They don't like havin' a black boy runnin' things. You can
see it in the birther's eyes. It's nothing to do with a certificate,
it's about his daddy bein' black.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and
you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep
into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where
Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.

Absolutely. He's Kenyan. He ain't no Merican.

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand why
people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the elected
leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a daily basis
to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the political party
of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it isn't being discussed
openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and his
ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your boys...your
white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in the
sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com and you
will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig deep into
the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do with where Obama
was born, and everything to do with his skin color.


I am rapidly approaching 60 years old and have a quite full bucket of life
experience. That adult experience started with almost 9 years in the
military service, entered into at a time when race relations were not what
they are today. Trust me. That was a crash course in the racial
disharmony that existed in the 60's.

I agree, as would anyone with half a brain, that there's still progress to
be made and racism still exists.
But we need to be careful that in the altruistic desire to achieve perfect
equality, respect and color blindness that people like you don't have *your*
heads so buried in the sand that you can't recognize and appreciate the
progress than has been made and therefore assume any event involving a
minority or person of color is representative of racism.

BTW, you are certainly a bit narrow in your thinking as well. Despite your
assumptions and repeated accusations, I am not a "Republican". Not a
"Democrat" either. I've pointed this out to you many times since you
decided I am not a big Obama fan in some things, yet you seem to think that
automatically makes me "one of them".

You like Palin more than I do.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch


I know enough about the social history of this country to understand
why people of color are suspicious of cops, and how and why the
elected leaders of your chosen political party are using racism on a
daily basis to keep this country as divided as possible. Yours is the
political party of southern white bigots. Anti-black racism, when it
isn't being discussed openly, is bubbling there right below the surface.

Ask Glenn Beck...your boy Herring's hero. He's dripping racism, and
his ratings on Fox News are rising...because he is selling your
boys...your white Republican males...what they want to hear.

I don't think you are a racist, but I do think you have your head in
the sand on this issue. Spend an hour or two reading freerepublic.com
and you will find your conservative republican base at its basest. Dig
deep into the birther issues, and you'll find it has nothing to do
with where Obama was born, and everything to do with his skin color.


I am rapidly approaching 60 years old and have a quite full bucket of
life experience. That adult experience started with almost 9 years in
the military service, entered into at a time when race relations were
not what they are today. Trust me. That was a crash course in the
racial disharmony that existed in the 60's.

I agree, as would anyone with half a brain, that there's still progress
to be made and racism still exists.
But we need to be careful that in the altruistic desire to achieve
perfect equality, respect and color blindness that people like you don't
have *your* heads so buried in the sand that you can't recognize and
appreciate the progress than has been made and therefore assume any
event involving a minority or person of color is representative of racism.

BTW, you are certainly a bit narrow in your thinking as well. Despite
your assumptions and repeated accusations, I am not a "Republican". Not
a "Democrat" either. I've pointed this out to you many times since you
decided I am not a big Obama fan in some things, yet you seem to think
that automatically makes me "one of them".

You like Palin more than I do.

Eisboch



I've never stated or intimated progress was not being made. It is.

For the reasons I have stated, that she will lead the GOP to more
defeats, I do like Palin. I wish her every success in staying prominent
in the GOP...



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.