Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps
wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a
public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't
have
been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he
made
to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house
at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested
no
matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates'
racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should
have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates
got
to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened
anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates
in
the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely
react
in
the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite
them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making
a
public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that
every
weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be
arrested.
And
the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You
think
you
can
not be arrested?



"in their own home".


He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where
he
followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal
difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested
him
when he got to the street tho.
BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside
without it so he isn't all that crippled.

I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and
the
neighborhood.

Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit.

He is probably a gun nut.

And you're probably taking bong hits.

Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I
smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did
not
seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so
that
was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary
to
try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square
in
downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the
flashing
computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising
fishbowls
with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days?

I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on?

Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them?

As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown.

Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites
downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle.

I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing
psychoactive drugs.

Take your pick Bill, one or the other.

Nope, just because you are in to transvestites, does not mean I am in to
drugs.

I bet you're secretly into both. Why else would you live on Nancy
Pelosi's home turf?

You were jealous of all those psychedelic free love hippies crowding
around your office in the Haight. You wanted some of what they had
but were too much of a dweeb to mix.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making
a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for
that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can
be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front
lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's where
he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so these
two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want
to do.

Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

See above.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public.
If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside
his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar
signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into
public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he
wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of multiracial
respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:
Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established. Read for
yourselves.




Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News judicial analyst, explained to
Shepard Smith on Monday that under Massachusetts law, Cambridge
Sergeant Jim Crowley did act improperly by arresting historian Henry
Louis Gates.

His argument essentially boils down to the difference between public
and private domain. As Crowley arrested Gates for causing a “public
disturbance,” the action is improper on its face due to the fact that
Gates was in his own home. Additionally, Napolitano said, it was
illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source
of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.

Napolitano added that because of the violation of Gates’s
constitutional rights, he would be eligible to pursue legal action
against the police department.

In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote
that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me
that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks
on the porch of Ware Street.”

Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen,
said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley
at the scene.

“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with
Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who
called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’” reported
The Boston Herald.

“I want to know that, in light of the fact that Mr. Gates 4th
Amendment rights have been violated, will [the media] rush to his
defense? Will they demand that the Cambridge Police apologize?” asked
blogger George Cook at Lets Talk Honestly.

“Will those same talking heads question the fact that the words black
and backpack appear in Sgt. Crowley’s police report although the 911
caller never mentions those words in her call?”

He concludes: “We all believe we know the answers to those questions.
Let’s hope we are wrong.”


Cops lie all the time in order to cover their backsides and the
backsides of other cops.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Only the ones in police unions.


Harry talking about how other people lie.....now THAT'S funny!!!!

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to
stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates
saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his
residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what
he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny
than he desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et
cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's
what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.




Hehehe. You're a moron.

Reality is on my side.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
NotNow wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the
house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist
comments. White guys get arrested for this every day.

The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have
continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to
the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway,
Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the
way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover.

People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the
way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them.

Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for
making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made
for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you
can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your
front lawn. You think you can not be arrested?


"in their own home".

Yeah, but the guy followed the cod into the front yard and that's
where he got busted. Now the cop is supposed to sit for a photo op so
these two can cover their asses with the media? Bull****.

No one, and I mean NO ONE is making the cop do anything he doesn't want
to do.

There is really no way for you to know that... Logic would say that it
is not his list topper for things to do, but say what you wish. I am
sure the guys boss *did* tell him to get his ass to Washington. Either
way, the only ones who get anything out of this is Gates and Obama...


Why sit with someone who has so little respect for you? Sgt. Crowley
should pass on that beer, go back to work and hope the media doesn't
make a "Joe the Plumber" out of him.

See above.

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

NotNow wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"H K" wrote in message
...


People of color have every reason to be suspicious of cops.


Harry's contribution to the social/intellectual progress of
multiracial respect and understanding.

Eisboch

Seeing how I have Harry in his rightful place, I didn't see this until
you quoted it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, bigoted
statements he's ever made, and he's made some stupid ones before.

Among the thousands of ignorant,racist, bigoted remarks made by Krause
this one stands out to? Why, pray tell?

Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
 

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote:

Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public
disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been
arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to
the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at
all without probable cause, which was not established.

If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter
who you are. That is simply true, fair or not.

Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who
walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with
the cops."

Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them.

Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in
public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay
inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw
dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence
into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought
he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he
desired.





Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a
number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera,
so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the
Thrilla from Wasilla sees.

Gates is a whore, a money whore an attention whore and a publicity whore.



Exactly...