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Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
H the K wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the cops." Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them. Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired. |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the cops." Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them. Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired. Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees. -- Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes. |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on? Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them? |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"H the K" wrote in message m... BAR wrote: H the K wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. Yeah, slightly built (150 pounds) nearly 60-year old professors who walk with the aid of a cane...they're notorious for "screwing with the cops." Cane or pool cue, they still hurt when you are hit by them. Gates wasn't "in" his house when he was arrested. Gates was in public. If Gates the vaunted Harvard Professor had the smarts to stay inside his house then no arrest would have occurred. But, Gates saw dollar signs and followed the police officer outside of his residence into public and made a public disturbance. Gates got what he thought he wanted. As it turns out Gates is getting more scrutiny than he desired. Professor Gates holds an endowed chair at Harvard, is the author of a number of books that have sold well, is a Macarthur Fellow, et cetera, so forth, and so on. Doubtful Gates saw dollar signs. That's what the Thrilla from Wasilla sees. Maybe he should not be a professor. And yes he does see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs. He is already pimping his "documentary" |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message om... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on? Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them? As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown. |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? He is obviously taking stupid pills... |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:t2c175tvra30a3s7snjq2q3uaq0cm6klvg@4ax. com... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on? Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them? As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown. Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle. |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message om... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:t2c175tvra30a3s7snjq2q3uaq0cm6klvg@4ax .com... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on? Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them? As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown. Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle. I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing psychoactive drugs. Take your pick Bill, one or the other. |
Fox Legal Analyst Say Gates Was Improperly Arrested
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:06:42 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:37:33 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message m... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:28:59 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:ugj175hcgo9qkqmlh0okkbd24kk9l9fq68@4ax. com... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:04:01 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "jps" wrote in message news:t2c175tvra30a3s7snjq2q3uaq0cm6klvg@4a x.com... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:56:09 -0400, NotNow wrote: Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:41:30 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:00:17 -0700, jps wrote: Turns out the law says you can't arrest someone for making a public disturbance in his own home... That means Gates shouldn't have been arrested no matter how ****y or derogatory the statements he made to the police officer. Nor, should the police have entered the house at all without probable cause, which was not established. If you screw with the cops and won't stop, you get arrested no matter who you are. That is simply true, fair or not. I do not see any racial component here at all beyond Gates' racist comments. White guys get arrested for this every day. The only thing I would have suggested to Crowley is he should have continued to walk away from this rant and waited until Gates got to the street to arrest him. I am sure it would have happened anyway, Perhaps so, but he didn't. He should never have engaged Gates in the way he did. Lost his cool and didn't recover. People screw with the cops all the time. The cops rarely react in the way Crowley did. They're taught to calm things, not incite them. Napolitano is wrong about not being able to arrest someone for making a public disturbance on their own property. Arrests are made for that every weekend. You having a wild party at your house, you can be arrested. And the arrest will stick. You have sex on your front lawn. You think you can not be arrested? "in their own home". He wasn't arrested in his home, He was outside on the porch, where he followed Crowley, still screaming at him. Significant legal difference. I agree Crowley should have kept moving and arrested him when he got to the street tho. BTW this guy "who needs a cane" managed to chase Crowley outside without it so he isn't all that crippled. I'm sure Gates represented a significant threat to the officer and the neighborhood. Crowley never should have engaged or responded to Gates hissyfit. He is probably a gun nut. And you're probably taking bong hits. Just because you are a drug user, do not accuse me of it. Last time I smoked Pot, as was still a student at San Francisco State U. And did not seem to have much effect on me. Had given up smoking years before, so that was also against the use of pot. Rest of the drugs were much to scary to try. I worked on a direct path from the Haight-Asbury to Union Square in downtown SF. The speed freaks would want to come in and watch the flashing computer lights. The days when computer rooms were advertising fishbowls with exterior windows. Which drug are you abusing these days? I never abused any drugs. What prescription medications are you on? Oh, you don't abuse them, you love them? As much as you love fellatio from the transvestites downtown. Wow! You are into all kinds of stuff. We do not have transvestites downtown that I know of. This ain't Seattle. I'm into fellatio with transvestites as much as you're into abusing psychoactive drugs. Take your pick Bill, one or the other. Nope, just because you are in to transvestites, does not mean I am in to drugs. |
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