On Aug 13, 7:09*am, wrote:
On Aug 12, 2:04*pm, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:





TimIngram wrote:
On Aug 5, 1:50?pm, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
TimIngram wrote:

snipto save themselves. Go ahead, test a court with rolling, paddle
floating, canoe over canoe, capistrano flip, paddle a floooded canoe
or kayak to shore. The depth of perfidy of your canoe and kayak death

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That's funny, I just came back from a few weeks at scout camp and every week
on what's called 'Wet Wednesday', hundreds of kids tip over their canoe and
do canoe over canoe rescues and climb back in... it's a requirement for
canoeing merit badge... hundreds, perhaps thousands per week did it all
summer long to earn the merit badge at the camp I was at (and I'm sure the
same is true for countless other camps for Boy and Girl Scouts across the
world)...

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Also, I've been on a jury and I can get back in a canoe after being flung
into the water (although the last time I did it was at an ACA Canoe instructor
class I took...

These are some of the things the kids do...
? ? e. In deep water, exit the canoe and get back in without capsizing.
? ? f. Capsize the canoe and demonstrate how staying with a capsized canoe
? ? ? ?will support both paddlers.
? ? g. Swim, tow, or push a swamped canoe 50 feet to shallow water. In the
? ? ? ?shallow water, empty the swamped canoe and reenter it.
? ? h. In deep water, rescue a swamped canoe and its paddlers by emptying the
? ? ? ?swamped canoe and helping the paddlers safely reenter their boat
? ? ? ?without capsizing.

You are disingenuous and deadly to kids. American Canoe Association
Hall of Fame member Cliff Jacobson in the 2005 book "Expedition
Canoeing" states: "The canoe-over-canoe rescue touted by the Red Cross
and Boy Scouts is generally impossible to perform in a running sea.
Far better to forget about the swamped canoe and gear and put your
efforts into rescuing the paddlers" (p.202.):

The kids need practice... this way, when an emergency comes, they'll be
prepared. *Perhaps it is impossible for you to do, but all summer long
scouts all over the world do it.

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You claimed those of us who post in r.b.p have accepted funds from the ACA,
please show us proof or admit you lied and move to another news group.

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John Nelson
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Thought I'd try to get back to the subject which is sponsons and their
use as a safety aid.

I sell Edon Rowing Boats (www.virginiarowing.com) which come complete
with sponsons that attach under the rigger on either side. This makes
the boats a lot safer to use in cold water conditions and is also
helpful when learning to row.

Every year I hear of at least one death either in the US, Canada or
the UK from cold water following a capsize in a rowing shell. I row
these boats with sponsons in the winter months even down here in
southern Virginia, I've many years of experience but accidents can
happen to even the best prepared and I've no intention of dying for my
sport.

Take a look at the Edon on the web site and let me know what you
think.

Rogerwww.virginiarowing.com
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Good for you Roger. However, my experience with this group over the
years is that they want the most dangerous canoes and kayaks possible
so they can either sell fraudulent American Canoe Association rescue
instruction that does not work, or generally claim superiority over
other innocent people.

Roger Nelson continues to deliberately endanger Boy Scouts, claiming
that "The kids need practice... this way, when an emergency comes,
they'll be prepared. Perhaps it is impossible for you to do, but all
summer long scouts all over the world do it." If kids need "practice",
then this will not work in an emergency; unlike 50 cent sponsons
clipped on in 5 seconds by any kid without instruction or practice. Of
course even ACA Hall of Fame member Cliff Jacobson, as well as most
other authors state the canoe-over-canoe rescue, risking capsize of
another canoe, is not likely to work in anything but calm and highly
controlled situations with another canoe and other paddlers etc.-the
opposite of John Nelson above "when an emergency comes." Emergencies
are not calm and controlled by definition. Otherwise it is not an
emergency, but is routine. Perhaps John just thinks like Sarah Palin
or many other red-blooded Americans. Too bad for the Darlington School
boys and hundreds of other dead American kids.

Tim
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