These recent rec.boats.paddle posts reflect current mainstream media
reports of GOP right wing crazy attacks, "birthers" against Obama etc.
The American Canoe Association during the Bush Cheney years used
rec.boats.paddle posters to kill over 1,000 Americans in Canoes and
Kayaks: A huge number of Americans murdered on their own soil.

This data is in rec.boats.paddle archives and on the US Coast Guard
website, particularly the Office of Boating Safety and the Boating
Safety Advisory Council.

Today, poster Melissa reveals that some rec.boats.paddle posters are
intelligent and witty Americans.

Tim Ingram
http://www.sponsonguy.com



On Jul 27, 1:05 pm, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:

Does anyone else wonder how the Canadian healthcare system can have
failed so miserably to have removed a babbling and drooling maniac
from polite society? Aren't those dang' Canadians willing to pay to
institutionalize their raving psychotics?

Jus' wondrin', *a propos* of nothing in particular.
-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty

Today we have an excellent response from typical GOP "Bush Cheney"
killers. Also Please note that Melissa shows the moral and
intellectual prowess to confront these killers with their "bombproof
roll", a favourite murder technique on rec.boats.paddle.

Check the recent posts. Years ago, many agonizing deaths ago, Slim
Jim
Stuart admitted he was wrong for endangering American kids on
rec.boats.paddle


Tim Ingram
http://www.sponsonguy.com


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wrote:
Hello Davej, you wrote:
No, my whole idea is to consider some form of handicapping device in
order to practice for a more difficult situation than you are going
to have in a pool.
Something I do for handicapping is to restrict the use of various
limbs in as many different water conditions as I can find. And of
course, practicing rolls without a paddle. This type of handicapping
is, in my view, more practical than trying to figure out how you're
going to fit your boat into the jacuzzi for aerated water practice.
If you think about the types of conditions that would capsize you,
it's good to think in terms of not just water and/or wind conditions,
but of your own potential condition as well. If you're in already
gnarly conditions that you can barely handle when you're feeling
great, what if you become injured? Might you then be more likely to
capsize in the first place? And still need to find a way to bring
yourself back up? Or, of course, end up swimming without the use of
a limb or two?
There are endless scenarios one can come up with to practice, and I
feel that all too often, we only think about practicing as if nothing
could ever happen to us physically, and ultimately, that's just not
realistic. There's always an exception to "bombproofness" lurking,
just waiting for the right moment to strike. Will we be ready? Or
at least as ready as we can be?
--
Melissa


Excellent post Melissa. Of course, "bombproof" is a crazy "cult"
idea.
You have joined the intelligent and now reasonable Slim Jim Stuart:

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From: TimIngram
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:40:27 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 16 2009 10:40 am
Subject: President Obama Safety Sponsons
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On Jul 14, 12:09 pm, Oci-One Kanubi wrote:


On Jul 14, 8:32 am, riverman wrote:



On Jul 14, 1:35 am, Wilko wrote:
I think it was Yakmom in response to Burntballs, back in the fall of
1999. I'll hold off using the search function for awhile to see what
others remember. :-)
--riverman
Yakmom! Myron, did you know that two of Sheila's sons competed in the
Over the Falls Race at Great Falls of the Potomac during the Potomac
Paddlefest last weekend? Sean did fairly well; Seth (former US Rodeo
Team member in C-1) didn't. If you go to the message board page ofwww.monocacycanoe.orgyou can find some links to a couple of the runs
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Yakmom responded to Slim Jim Stuart's Post below. (Yakmom essentially
believed her own kids were safer in higher buoyancy kayaks in WW,
presumably for less chance of pinning underwater.) Of course
sponsons
are a specific type of strategic buoyancy coupled with integral
water-
ballast, but I had to commend Slim Jim for recognizing his
responsibility for the welfare of others. Tim Ingram
http://www.sponsonguy.com/PresidentO...ySponsons.html

Slim Jim's Post (perhaps rec.boats.paddle's "finest hour"):


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From: Slim Jim
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:53:01 -0500
Local: Tues, Nov 21 2000 1:53 am
Subject: To Coach or Not To Coach (kids)
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Need a little help sorting this out.


I have coached juniors slalom, particularly more advanced 12-16 year
olds,
with emphasis on technical technique, bigger water (i.e. Dickerson,
Potomac
Gorge), and physical development training. I haven't coached for a
few
years,
partly due to work, but more due to the issues described below.


Here's the dilemma:
- I can help kids develop elite slalom and WW skills, and fast.
- By the age of 14, some are highly skilled, if with limited "mean"
river
experience.
- Coaching develops skills which get kids competent enough to even
consider
"extreme zone" runs.
- Teen peer group pressure to push for extreme runs is enormous, and
the
definition of extreme continues to mount.
- Safety focus in whitewater is nearly non-existent these days, and
role
modeling only goes so far.
- WW slalom can be richly rewarding for developing youth - exercising
talent,
dedication to hard work, complex brainwork and experience pyramiding,
physical development, travel and intrigue, camaraderie and community,
all very
admirable and noble activities. (keeps em off the street too)
- But out in the falls, kids are now making decisions in mere seconds
to run
extreme risk WW, usually without perspective.
- If they ask me: "Do you think I should run it?" I respond: "Which
would be
more dangerous, running that drop, or having all four of your wisdom
teeth
extracted? And how much time would you want to decide about having
your teeth
pulled?"
- I've already had several kids with "off the course" very close
calls
and
serious injuries.


How do I rationalize coaching - or not coaching for that matter?
Coaching seems like something worthwhile doing, when I'm doing it.
But what would I tell the parents of a kid who dies "off course?"


Jim Stuart

As another aging RBP lurker, I cannot imagine how empty your life must
be to spend time raging in babbling lunacy about balloons on your
kayak. Go blow up your balloons, go find some empty pond or lake, and
SHUT THE HELL UP!

Thank you.

jaybird

On Jul 29, 10:41*am, jaybird wrote:
As another aging RBP lurker, I cannot imagine how empty your life must
be to spend time raging in babbling lunacy about balloons on your
kayak. *Go blow up your balloons, go find some empty pond or lake, and
SHUT THE HELL UP!

Thank you.

jaybird

Actually my life is rich, and getting richer after 8 years of Bush
Cheney criminality, that rivals that of the Nuremberg Trials.
Rec.boats.paddle lurkers like yourself used the Bush Cheney years to
deny the American public 50 cent sponsons to get out of the water in 5
seconds. Without sponsons, no judge or jury can get out of the water
to save themselves. Go ahead, test a court with rolling, paddle
floating, canoe over canoe, capistrano flip, paddle a floooded canoe
or kayak to shore. The depth of perfidy of your canoe and kayak death
cult is obvious: http://www.sponsonguy.com

And Just the Summer before 9/11, on rec.boats.paddle I warned about
"the creation of a murder cult" Today on Huffington Post or the NY
Times, etc. many articles refer to the destruction of the GOP by
attempting to stop American Health Care. It was the same principle
with safety sponsons, with over 1,500 dead Americans in Canoes and
Kayaks. It was the same principle after the Civil War with dedicated
corruption in public office toward the deliberate killing and
plundering of other Americans:
Editor Chris Cunningham, just like Dave Harrison at Canoe and
Kayak magazine, (see Dave's sponson prose-praise on the index page of
the website http://www.sponsonguy.com), decided to cave-in to the
murder cult of paddlefloaters and rollers, even though most people
can't save themselves with either one.

I told them in 1994 that their behavior would lead to a murder cult
in
paddlesports, with the general public needlessly dying of
paddlefloating, rolling, etc.


The young Wisconsin couple were murdered by the cult, and so were the
2 kids in Washington State last week, who borrowed kayaks from
friends, thinking that canoes and kayaks are as safe as the
propaganda
in the magazines. Or the instructor propaganda.


Dead touring paddlers die differently from WW paddlers (who usually
die quickly trapped by a sprayskirt or pinned underwater). Dead
touring paddlers usually have lots of time to realize they are
trapped, with no escape, when they can't get back in with a
paddlefloat.


They think about not seeing their mom and dad again, as they slowly
die. Just like the 4 schoolkids at Lyme Bay.


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Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle, rec.boats.paddle.touring,
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From: "safer21"
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:51:51 -0400
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2001 8:51 am
Subject: Sponsons don't kill people. People Kill People
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Lyman, you stupid fool. You are not smart enough to understand that
Seakayaker and Canoe and Kayak Magazine etc. set out to trick you and
other
people with inadequate intelligence.


Over 1000 dead US touring paddlers now. Killed by not getting out of
the
water. Simple.


Killed by sprayskirts that trap. Killed by paddlefloats. Killed by
rolls. In
Greenland, the championships always use a big sponsoned rescue Zodiac
because they can't roll to save themselves.


But people are tricked and murdered. Like you.


Nothing humorous about murder John. Tell that "very nice lawyer" that
the
families of 1000 murdered victims can be reached using the US COAST
GUARD
database.


Get the law firms to work.


JOHN! Don't murder Spunky. Matt is dangerous.


Matt says on his website (last I looked) that rolls are much safer
than
paddlefloats. But of course, in Seakayaker mag etc., The World Champs
at the
Greenland Championships can't save themselves (and need a big
sponsoned
Zodiac rescue boat, and diver.)


Matt tells me that he wanted sponsons included throughout "Deep
Trouble".
This is due to the extreme liability of that book. Look at poor Doug
Lloyd
almost dying in Seakayaker several times. (Doug worships MATT). Matt
is mean
to Doug.


Seakayaker printed the sponson superiority article on the website
www.sponsonguy.com
and Matt was furious.


In Every issue of Seakayaker since 1993, in every article by George
Gronseth
and Matt Broze, sponsons are not mentioned. But outrageously
dangerous
and
murderously unsafe ideas are. George and Matt tried to change in
"Deep
Trouble" by including sponsons (but only in the book, for liability
reasons).


Editor Chris Cunningham, just like Dave Harrison at Canoe and Kayak
magazine, (see Dave's sponson prose-praise on the index page of the
website), decided to cave-in to the murder cult of paddlefloaters and
rollers, even though most people can't save themselves with either
one.


I told them in 1994 that their behavior would lead to a murder cult
in
paddlesports, with the general public needlessly dying of
paddlefloating,
rolling, etc.


The young Wisconsin couple were murdered by the cult, and so were the
2 kids
in Washington State last week, who borrowed kayaks from friends,
thinking
that canoes and kayaks are as safe as the propaganda in the
magazines.
Or
the instructor propaganda.


Dead touring paddlers die differently from WW paddlers (who usually
die
quickly trapped by a sprayskirt or pinned underwater). Dead touring
paddlers
usually have lots of time to realize they are trapped, with no
escape,
when
they can't get back in with a paddlefloat.


They think about not seeing their mom and dad again, as they slowly
die.
Just like the 4 schoolkids at Lyme Bay.


THIS IS CRUEL MURDER!


Young and fit paddlers in issues of Seakayaker and Atlantic Coastal
Kayaker,
who are saved just before unconsciousness, due to hypothermia, say
"I
thought of never seeing my kids...family...loved ones...again....."


Articles in magazines sometimes report that they think they "need to
practise paddlefloating more often" ( to avoid breaking paddles and
re-capsizing, pumping out, fitting sprayskirt etc.) This is the CULT
MURDER
EFFECT.


As you see in posts by Tom And Rick in this thread, the paddlefloat
is
not
going to save most people if they need it. It will murder them.


Anything depending on "Practise! Practise!" is so unreliable, it will
fail
in emergencies. Like rolls and paddlefloats. These ideas murder
people.


The judge self-rescues in 20 seconds, no practice, the first time,
with 20
second sponsons.


The Future Of Canoes and Kayaks


Murder in the 2nd degree is behavior that knowingly endangers
innocent
people and kills them. For example, discharging a gun into a crowd or
instructing people to paddle kayaks and canoes without sponsons, the
only
reliable emergency stability, to escape death by hypothermia.


20 second sponsons are foam, oral or gas cartridge inflated, in a
variety of
models to meet public safety needs.


Instructing people to paddle canoes and kayaks unsafely, and killing
them,
is a serious crime. Rolls, paddlefloats, and open canoe rescues kill
both
experienced and novice paddlers.
Without a reliable means to get out of the water fast, people are
murdered.
Even wearing PFDs.


BCU and ACA instructors, and commercial magazines such as "Canoe and
Kayak",
"Seakayaker", and "Paddler" deliberately endanger the public with
unsafe
instruction. The primary motive is profit, with group rolling lessons
and
paddlefloating lessons costing $400 an hour, on average. After a 90
minute
rolling lesson, the failure rate for rolling is 80%.


In contrast, 20 second sponsons are learned in 20 seconds, with no
failures,
unless physically disabled. Physically disabled paddlers can rescue
themselves using gas cartridge sponsons, simply pulling a cord. Then
they
crawl out of the water, using the rear deck as a boarding platform.
These
will retail for less than $300, including all hardware for permanent
installation on gunwales: Lightweight 1 lb., Compact 8 inch by 2 inch
gunwale fitting holding each deflated sponson inside, No drag. Just
pull the
cord.


Inexpensive, closed cell foam sponsons cost a canoe or kayak
manufacturer a
few dollars ($5) . YMCA camps and Boy Scouts can use rolled up
sleeping
mats, properly adapted, to paddle any flooded kayak or canoe to
safety
immediately, to escape death by hypothermia.


But First the kids have to escape death by ACA/ BCU instruction, the
commercial magazines, and the paddlesport industry.


Thousands of dead paddlers since 1993, when sponsons were available;
1000
dead paddlers in the US alone.


In this same time period, twice as many canoes and kayaks have been
sold
with built-in sponsons, compared to those without sponsons.
Canoes and Kayaks without sponsons kill almost all paddlers. Simply
because
people are not able to get out of the water, and stay out, without
sponsons.


The murderous instruction cult speaks of risk management, while
instructing
without sponsons.
In view of the much lower death rate for sponsoned canoes and kayaks
(of
which there are twice the numbers), the biggest risk is ACA, BCU
instruction
etc., with no sponsons.


The above parties have created a rolling and paddlefloating cult that
kills
without mercy. And Kills most paddlers, simply because they refuse to
teach
20 second sponsons. They kill people for money. This evidence is
proof
of
criminal behavior.


Ethical and intelligent paddlers are now bringing this murderous brew
to a
boil. Contact news media, offices of state or crown attorneys, and
grieving
families. This is a problem that is easily fixed.


A 10 year old child can turn any ACA instructor into a FOOL in 20
seconds.


Clip, clip, the Fastex buckles and any kayak or canoe is stable
enough
to
paddle fully flooded, to safety. The paddler gets warmed immediately.
And
the body core is out of cold water in 20 seconds. Plus Re-capsize
protection.


1. The Instructor is still in the water.


2. The instructor denies the public re-capsize protection, even in a
fully
flooded canoe or kayak that can be paddled in 20 seconds.


3. The instructor kills people this way.


Tim Ingram
www.sponsonguy.com



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(Rick Donnelly) wrote:
In article , "Spunky"
wrote:
How useful is a paddle float for a self rescue?
I just got my kayak last year, and just love it, but found it
impossible to
get back in on my own in deep water.
(Don't bother me with the sponsons, Safer21, you're in my kill file,
you
brought that on yourself.)
Matt Broze (inventor of the float) wrote an article on the intended
useage
of the paddle float in sea kayaker a while back.
If anyone is really interest you could just subscribe to Paddlewise-L and
ask Matt about it yourself. He's a regular contributor.
John Fereira

Nidge
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Tim you have cured me of ever reading this newsgroup again. You are
pathetic. Your right to free speech will now go unheard. I wish I
could think of something kind to say but I will just sign off forever
and leave you to your padded cell.

jaybird

"jaybird" wrote in message
...
Tim you have cured me of ever reading this newsgroup again. You are
pathetic. Your right to free speech will now go unheard. I wish I
could think of something kind to say but I will just sign off forever
and leave you to your padded cell.

jaybird

You could just put him on ignore like everybody else does...

Cricket

On Jul 31, 6:17*pm, "Cricket" wrote:
"jaybird" wrote in message

...

Tim you have cured me of ever reading this newsgroup again. *You are
pathetic. *Your right to free speech will now go unheard. *I wish I
could think of something kind to say but I will just sign off forever
and leave you to your padded cell.

jaybird

You could just put him on ignore like everybody else does...

Cricket

Never in the field of Human Safety has so much been denied by so few
to so many: http://www.sponsonguy.com My life is improving, like so
many Americans and human beings throughout the world, after 8 years
of
Bush Cheney criminality, that rivals that of the Nuremberg Trials.

Rec.boats.paddle lurkers like yourself used the Bush Cheney years to
deny the American public 50 cent sponsons to get out of the water in
5
seconds. Without sponsons, no judge or jury can get out of the water
to save themselves. Go ahead, test a court with rolling, paddle
floating, canoe over canoe, capistrano flip, paddle a flooded canoe
or
kayak to shore. The judge, jury and the grieving families will not be
amused by these ludicrous ideas called "rescues". The depth of
perfidy
of your canoe and kayak death cult is plain and obvious criminality:
http://www.sponsonguy.com


And Just the Summer before 9/11, on rec.boats.paddle I warned about
"the creation of a murder cult" Today on Huffington Post or the NY
Times, etc. many articles refer to the destruction of the GOP by
attempting to stop American Health Care. It was the same principle
with safety sponsons, with over 1,500 dead Americans in Canoes and
Kayaks. It was the same principle after the Civil War with dedicated
corruption in public office toward the deliberate killing and
plundering of other Americans:


Editor Chris Cunningham, just like Dave Harrison at Canoe and
Kayak magazine, (see Dave's sponson prose-praise on the index page of
the website http://www.sponsonguy.com), decided to cave-in to the
murder cult of paddlefloaters and rollers, even though most people
can't save themselves with either one.


(Actually they had no choice, both magazines being exposed to
boycotts
by ACA lobby groups. The fact that they wrote about sponsons as much
as they did is to their moral credit.)


I told them in 1994 that their behavior would lead to a murder cult
in paddlesports, with the general public needlessly dying of
paddlefloating, rolling, etc.


The young Wisconsin couple were murdered by the cult, and so were the
2 kids in Washington State last week, who borrowed kayaks from
friends, thinking that canoes and kayaks are as safe as the
propaganda
in the magazines. Or the instructor propaganda.


Dead touring paddlers die differently from WW paddlers (who usually
die quickly trapped by a sprayskirt or pinned underwater). Dead
touring paddlers usually have lots of time to realize they are
trapped, with no escape, when they can't get back in with a
paddlefloat.


They think about not seeing their mom and dad again, as they slowly
die. Just like the 4 schoolkids at Lyme Bay.


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From: "safer21"
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 08:51:51 -0400
Local: Sat, Apr 7 2001 8:51 am
Subject: Sponsons don't kill people. People Kill People
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Lyman, you stupid fool. You are not smart enough to understand that
Seakayaker and Canoe and Kayak Magazine etc. set out to trick you and
other
people with inadequate intelligence.


Over 1000 dead US touring paddlers now. Killed by not getting out of
the
water. Simple.


Killed by sprayskirts that trap. Killed by paddlefloats. Killed by
rolls. In
Greenland, the championships always use a big sponsoned rescue Zodiac
because they can't roll to save themselves.


But people are tricked and murdered. Like you.


Nothing humorous about murder John. Tell that "very nice lawyer" that
the
families of 1000 murdered victims can be reached using the US COAST
GUARD
database.


Get the law firms to work.


JOHN! Don't murder Spunky. Matt is dangerous.


Matt says on his website (last I looked) that rolls are much safer
than
paddlefloats. But of course, in Seakayaker mag etc., The World Champs
at the
Greenland Championships can't save themselves (and need a big
sponsoned
Zodiac rescue boat, and diver.)


Matt tells me that he wanted sponsons included throughout "Deep
Trouble".
This is due to the extreme liability of that book. Look at poor Doug
Lloyd
almost dying in Seakayaker several times. (Doug worships MATT). Matt
is mean
to Doug.


Seakayaker printed the sponson superiority article on the website
www.sponsonguy.com
and Matt was furious.


In Every issue of Seakayaker since 1993, in every article by George
Gronseth
and Matt Broze, sponsons are not mentioned. But outrageously
dangerous
and
murderously unsafe ideas are. George and Matt tried to change in
"Deep
Trouble" by including sponsons (but only in the book, for liability
reasons).


Editor Chris Cunningham, just like Dave Harrison at Canoe and Kayak
magazine, (see Dave's sponson prose-praise on the index page of the
website), decided to cave-in to the murder cult of paddlefloaters and
rollers, even though most people can't save themselves with either
one.


I told them in 1994 that their behavior would lead to a murder cult
in
paddlesports, with the general public needlessly dying of
paddlefloating,
rolling, etc.


The young Wisconsin couple were murdered by the cult, and so were the
2 kids
in Washington State last week, who borrowed kayaks from friends,
thinking
that canoes and kayaks are as safe as the propaganda in the
magazines.
Or
the instructor propaganda.


Dead touring paddlers die differently from WW paddlers (who usually
die
quickly trapped by a sprayskirt or pinned underwater). Dead touring
paddlers
usually have lots of time to realize they are trapped, with no
escape,
when
they can't get back in with a paddlefloat.


They think about not seeing their mom and dad again, as they slowly
die.
Just like the 4 schoolkids at Lyme Bay.


THIS IS CRUEL MURDER!


Young and fit paddlers in issues of Seakayaker and Atlantic Coastal
Kayaker,
who are saved just before unconsciousness, due to hypothermia, say
"I
thought of never seeing my kids...family...loved ones...again....."


Articles in magazines sometimes report that they think they "need to
practise paddlefloating more often" ( to avoid breaking paddles and
re-capsizing, pumping out, fitting sprayskirt etc.) This is the CULT
MURDER
EFFECT.


As you see in posts by Tom And Rick in this thread, the paddlefloat
is
not
going to save most people if they need it. It will murder them.


Anything depending on "Practise! Practise!" is so unreliable, it will
fail
in emergencies. Like rolls and paddlefloats. These ideas murder
people.


The judge self-rescues in 20 seconds, no practice, the first time,
with 20
second sponsons.


The Future Of Canoes and Kayaks


Murder in the 2nd degree is behavior that knowingly endangers
innocent
people and kills them. For example, discharging a gun into a crowd or
instructing people to paddle kayaks and canoes without sponsons, the
only
reliable emergency stability, to escape death by hypothermia.


20 second sponsons are foam, oral or gas cartridge inflated, in a
variety of
models to meet public safety needs.


Instructing people to paddle canoes and kayaks unsafely, and killing
them,
is a serious crime. Rolls, paddlefloats, and open canoe rescues kill
both
experienced and novice paddlers.
Without a reliable means to get out of the water fast, people are
murdered.
Even wearing PFDs.


BCU and ACA instructors, and commercial magazines such as "Canoe and
Kayak",
"Seakayaker", and "Paddler" deliberately endanger the public with
unsafe
instruction. The primary motive is profit, with group rolling lessons
and
paddlefloating lessons costing $400 an hour, on average. After a 90
minute
rolling lesson, the failure rate for rolling is 80%.


In contrast, 20 second sponsons are learned in 20 seconds, with no
failures,
unless physically disabled. Physically disabled paddlers can rescue
themselves using gas cartridge sponsons, simply pulling a cord. Then
they
crawl out of the water, using the rear deck as a boarding platform.
These
will retail for less than $300, including all hardware for permanent
installation on gunwales: Lightweight 1 lb., Compact 8 inch by 2 inch
gunwale fitting holding each deflated sponson inside, No drag. Just
pull the
cord.


Inexpensive, closed cell foam sponsons cost a canoe or kayak
manufacturer a
few dollars ($5) . YMCA camps and Boy Scouts can use rolled up
sleeping
mats, properly adapted, to paddle any flooded kayak or canoe to
safety
immediately, to escape death by hypothermia.


But First the kids have to escape death by ACA/ BCU instruction, the
commercial magazines, and the paddlesport industry.


Thousands of dead paddlers since 1993, when sponsons were available;
1000
dead paddlers in the US alone.


In this same time period, twice as many canoes and kayaks have been
sold
with built-in sponsons, compared to those without sponsons.
Canoes and Kayaks without sponsons kill almost all paddlers. Simply
because
people are not able to get out of the water, and stay out, without
sponsons.


The murderous instruction cult speaks of risk management, while
instructing
without sponsons.
In view of the much lower death rate for sponsoned canoes and kayaks
(of
which there are twice the numbers), the biggest risk is ACA, BCU
instruction
etc., with no sponsons.


The above parties have created a rolling and paddlefloating cult that
kills
without mercy. And Kills most paddlers, simply because they refuse to
teach
20 second sponsons. They kill people for money. This evidence is
proof
of
criminal behavior.


Ethical and intelligent paddlers are now bringing this murderous brew
to a
boil. Contact news media, offices of state or crown attorneys, and
grieving
families. This is a problem that is easily fixed.


A 10 year old child can turn any ACA instructor into a FOOL in 20
seconds.


Clip, clip, the Fastex buckles and any kayak or canoe is stable
enough
to
paddle fully flooded, to safety. The paddler gets warmed immediately.
And
the body core is out of cold water in 20 seconds. Plus Re-capsize
protection.


1. The Instructor is still in the water.


2. The instructor denies the public re-capsize ...

Cricket wrote:
"jaybird" wrote in message
...
Tim you have cured me of ever reading this newsgroup again. You are
pathetic. Your right to free speech will now go unheard. I wish I
could think of something kind to say but I will just sign off forever
and leave you to your padded cell.

jaybird

You could just put him on ignore like everybody else does...

Cricket

Exactly: that's by far the best option! No attention, no audience and
despite this group being pretty dead anyway, you can then concentrate on
communication with those people that still hang out here who *are* worth
the effort.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilkoa t)dse(d o tnl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/

On Jul 31, 9:31*am, jaybird wrote:
Tim you have cured me of ever reading this newsgroup again. *You are
pathetic. *Your right to free speech will now go unheard. *I wish I
could think of something kind to say but I will just sign off forever
and leave you to your padded cell.

jaybird

Dear Melissa, unfortunately you have made a poor choice, unlike the 2
ten year old girls in the pictures: http://www.sponsonguy.com who
can
rescue themselves in 5 seconds plus any other swimmers in the water,
without any practice or instruction; just clip on 50 cent sponsons.
Slim Jim Stuart realized he was endangering children and stopped.
You,
Melissa recognized that depending on rolling to save human life was
foolish: "Finally, a small comment about "bombproof" rolls...

Even after many years of hardly ever missing a roll when I really
needed it, I'm still wary of the "bombproof" concept. After all, if
I'm paddling along and a bomb is dropped on me, trying to roll back
up would probably be a moot point. Serioiusly though, while we
can--and should--constantly practice our rolling and other
self-rescue techniques, I think we might ultimately be doing
ourselves a disservice by convincing ourselves that we can develop
rolls that will, without doubt, always bring us up under any and all
circumstances. Overconfidence can really harsh one's mellow at just
the wrong moment.


Perhaps the most dangerous thing for anyone--in any field of
endeavor--is to feel that they've entirely "mastered" anything. For
one thing, life would be terribly boring if we ever got to the point
of being able to "duplicate perfection" at every turn, with nothing
more to learn (define "repeatable perfection", after all). When it
comes to self-rescue skills, convincing ourselves that we've actually
perfected a technique to the point of "bombproofness"-or perhaps more
appropriately "foolproofness"--is a fools game that could just turn a
fine paddling day into a tragic day.


No matter how good you are, only "beginner's mind" will help you get
better."


You see Melissa, when someone misses a roll, like the World Champions
in Greenland who use a powerboat when their rolls fail, you could be
dead. You see Melissa, when you can't rescue yourself with a roll,
you
don't have a powerboat. You see, Melissa when you can't get out of
the
water with the most simple, foolproof and fastest method (Sponsons),
like 2 ten year old girls who can rescue others, like the Coast Guard
Sponsoned Rescue Kayaks, you look like a criminally corrupt American
like Bush Cheney. Think it over. Slim Jim did.


Tim


http://www.sponsonguy.com


On Jul 29, 7:06 pm, watersprite

TimIngram wrote:
snip
to save themselves. Go ahead, test a court with rolling, paddle
floating, canoe over canoe, capistrano flip, paddle a floooded canoe
or kayak to shore. The depth of perfidy of your canoe and kayak death
snip

That's funny, I just came back from a few weeks at scout camp and every week
on what's called 'Wet Wednesday', hundreds of kids tip over their canoe and
do canoe over canoe rescues and climb back in... it's a requirement for
canoeing merit badge... hundreds, perhaps thousands per week did it all
summer long to earn the merit badge at the camp I was at (and I'm sure the
same is true for countless other camps for Boy and Girl Scouts across the
world)...

snip

Also, I've been on a jury and I can get back in a canoe after being flung
into the water (although the last time I did it was at an ACA Canoe instructor
class I took...

These are some of the things the kids do...
e. In deep water, exit the canoe and get back in without capsizing.
f. Capsize the canoe and demonstrate how staying with a capsized canoe
will support both paddlers.
g. Swim, tow, or push a swamped canoe 50 feet to shallow water. In the
shallow water, empty the swamped canoe and reenter it.
h. In deep water, rescue a swamped canoe and its paddlers by emptying the
swamped canoe and helping the paddlers safely reenter their boat
without capsizing.


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On Aug 5, 1:50*pm, Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
TimIngram wrote:

snipto save themselves. Go ahead, test a court with rolling, paddle
floating, canoe over canoe, capistrano flip, paddle a floooded canoe
or kayak to shore. The depth of perfidy of your canoe and kayak death

snip

That's funny, I just came back from a few weeks at scout camp and every week
on what's called 'Wet Wednesday', hundreds of kids tip over their canoe and
do canoe over canoe rescues and climb back in... it's a requirement for
canoeing merit badge... hundreds, perhaps thousands per week did it all
summer long to earn the merit badge at the camp I was at (and I'm sure the
same is true for countless other camps for Boy and Girl Scouts across the
world)...

snip

Also, I've been on a jury and I can get back in a canoe after being flung
into the water (although the last time I did it was at an ACA Canoe instructor
class I took...

These are some of the things the kids do...
* * e. In deep water, exit the canoe and get back in without capsizing.
* * f. Capsize the canoe and demonstrate how staying with a capsized canoe
* * * *will support both paddlers.
* * g. Swim, tow, or push a swamped canoe 50 feet to shallow water. In the
* * * *shallow water, empty the swamped canoe and reenter it.
* * h. In deep water, rescue a swamped canoe and its paddlers by emptying the
* * * *swamped canoe and helping the paddlers safely reenter their boat
* * * *without capsizing.

--
John Nelson
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* * * * * * * * * * * Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
* * * *http://www.chicagopaddling.org*http:...gofishing..org
*(A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)

You are disingenuous and deadly to kids. American Canoe Association
Hall of Fame member Cliff Jacobson in the 2005 book "Expedition
Canoeing" states: "The canoe-over-canoe rescue touted by the Red Cross
and Boy Scouts is generally impossible to perform in a running sea.
Far better to forget about the swamped canoe and gear and put your
efforts into rescuing the paddlers" (p.202.):

Famous Canadian canoeist and film-maker Bill Mason, reversed his
traditional rescue ideas after the dead schoolchildren (12) in the
1978 Lake Temiskaming tragedy, stating that these rescues simply
cannot work, in his last book: "canoe over canoe...I have since
changed my mind..." (Song of the Paddle,1988, p.126). Mr. Mason
advocated extra interior flotation in this book instead, but died
suddenly of stomach cancer just before the first sponson patent became
known. C.E.S. Franks reached Bill Mason's conclusion just before
Temiskaming, in The Canoe and White Water, University of Toronto
Press, 1977, p.123: "...nearly useless...On a stormy lake where upsets
are likely to occur, the water is often too rough and choppy." Note:
American Canoe Association Hall of Fame member Cliff Jacobson in the
2005 book "Expedition Canoeing" states: "The canoe-over-canoe rescue
touted by the Red Cross and Boy Scouts is generally impossible to
perform in a running sea. Far better to forget about the swamped canoe
and gear and put your efforts into rescuing the paddlers" (p.202.)
However, in Deep Waters, James Raffan notes that Jacobson's idea
merely capsized more canoes, killing 12 boys and one leader, Ontario's
Lake Temiskaming, 1978.
See page 108 of "Deep Waters": "Somewhere in the middle of the lake,
about two miles from shore and too far from the camp to be seen with
the naked eye, the canoe upset. Whether this was from a sudden gust of
wind on an otherwise calm summer evening, or from a novice paddler
"catching a crab" (a paddle) on the water and shifting position, is
not clear, although there was a tendency for some newspaper writers
(as there would be with Timiskaming fifty years later) to concoct a
violent storm to overturn the canoe. There was likely no storm. In any
case the big canoe upset. It had no air tanks, sponsons, or flotation
chambers,..."

Dillon published her book in 2008 anyway. Oyen and Dillon are
deliberately wanton and reckless with regard to human life, despite
the above book comment by even their own ACA Hall of Fame member Cliff
Jacobson!

Please note: with sponsons, more water inside creates more weight and
therefore more stability. See this stability below in "awashed" U.S.
Military kayaks: US Military Special Forces, 10th Airbourne, Fort
Devens, MA, 200 mile ocean kayak race, the coast of Maine, between
Military Kayaking Teams from about 12 NATO countries:
"basic, no nonsense...dramatically increase...safety
and...capabilities... It should be noted that within the North
American civilian sea kayak industry there is some controversy...Sea
Wings' direct competition with...the paddle float...the merits of Sea
Wings...far outweigh those of the paddlefloat...During the IMKP 1994
we used Sea Wings with all our rescue boats as back-up flotation/
stability for awashed kayaks needing assistance pumping out in heavy
seas. In addition, IMKP's rescue kayak was fitted with Sea Wings on a
permanent basis which allowed us to be far more stable in possible
rescue operations...Sea Wings dramatically increase re-entry
operations with capsized boats. Indeed, even with heavily loaded boats
(those approaching 1000 lbs.) most paddlers can easily re-enter the
kayak. However the most notable advantage of Sea Wings is with lightly
loaded boats; ie, those kayaks which are far less stable (more tippy)
than fully loaded boats. Recovery operations are far more difficult in
these boats and most students have extreme difficulty in mastering the
necessary techniques. This is compounded in heavy seas. Sea Wings
offers an almost guaranteed method of re-entering a lightly loaded
kayak even in heavy seas. Stability increase in heavy seas. Paddling
in extremely heavy seas is difficult. Sea Wings offer the crews an
additional method of dealing with such sea states. One of the most
dangerous situations a detachment can find itself in is that of towing
a disabled crew with full operational loads in heavy seas at night.
The employment of Sea Wings dramatically increases the safety margin.
In my opinion, this is one of the sponsons' most important
contributions to MAROPS... As an historical footnote it should be
noted that circumpolar kayakers (Greenlanders and Inuit) employed a
similar sponson/ float for stability. It differed significantly though
from Sea Wings in that it was free floating; i.e., there was
apparently no harness system and stability came from pushing down on
the float on the side of the kayak. In addition, during the late 70's
and early 80's we employed a similar system with our commo boats.
Waterproof bags were blown up and hand held to the sides of the kayak
while communication was conducted. The point here is that the idea of
some sort of support on the sides of the kayak for stability is very
old and universal." Invitational Military Kayak Paddle 1994
Evaluation

Without sponsons no canoe or kayak of any type can be "pumped out",
resulting in instability, re-capsize and death. Escape from certain
death is the main reason for the "life raft platform concept" in the
United States:
USCG Level Flotation Standard 33 CFR 183. Issued April 18, 1977;
Effective August 1, 1978 "Establishes level flotation standards on
rowboats and outboard boats less than 20 feet in length, the boats
most often involved in swamping and capsizing accidents, so that the
boat will float level when swamped and provide a safe platform until
rescue." The US Coast Guard report 071-01 reveals: "Canoes and kayaks
have by far the highest fatality rates per million hours of exposure (.
42) as any other boat type". In use hours, canoes and kayaks have a
far higher death rate than the deadliest vehicles. "Canoes and kayaks
have the highest fatality rate of all boat types." (Before the
Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation of the U.S.
House of Representatives, May 15, 2001, BOAT/U.S.)

From: http://www.sponsonguy.com/AmericanCa...ionSafety.html

Tim