Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:12:56 -0700, Jim wrote:


They don't knock you out, they erase your memory. Then go out and have
a nice breakfast.

Men in Black drug.
The first time I felt like a horse dying of whatever it is they eat
and makes them die from exploded guts.
Trapped air according to the doc.
Puked - maybe a drug reaction - and then had severe abdominal pain
for about half an hour - went home when it lessened a bit.
Wasn't over for another half-hour - not until my ass started a tuba
tribute.
Second time was a lot better.

--Vic

That sounds more like the Sigmiscope (sp) If you remember it, it was a
Sigmiscope. And you don't forget one of those.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:10:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

She had me laughing before the procedure and when the anesthesia
wore off.

Anesthesia? I got nothing and it took him 45 minutes of poking just to
get past the big bend. It cost something like five grand out of
pocket.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:10:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

She had me laughing before the procedure and when the anesthesia
wore off.

Anesthesia? I got nothing and it took him 45 minutes of poking just to
get past the big bend. It cost something like five grand out of
pocket.

Casady



No health insurance?


--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

H the K wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:10:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

She had me laughing before the procedure and when the anesthesia wore
off.

Anesthesia? I got nothing and it took him 45 minutes of poking just to
get past the big bend. It cost something like five grand out of
pocket.

Casady



No health insurance?



Why is health insurance needed? He paid for the services he received.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:31 -0700, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html



I'm going to defy the truce, which I shouldn't do.

Had an interesting discussion yesterday. Out of a group three of us
dock neighbors, two just had Colonoscopys. Both had two polyps removed.

Third guy, a liveaboard who makes his living doing odd jobs, said he
(age 53) could never afford a Colonoscopy, as he had no health insurance
(or an actual job) he has other things to pay for.

I did some looking, a Colonoscopy costs from a low of $650, to about $3200.

I saw what the insurance company was billed on the first one I had
about 5 years ago. Six or seven benign polyps removed.
$4700.
Go figure.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:31 -0700, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html



I'm going to defy the truce, which I shouldn't do.

Had an interesting discussion yesterday. Out of a group three of us
dock neighbors, two just had Colonoscopys. Both had two polyps removed.

Third guy, a liveaboard who makes his living doing odd jobs, said he
(age 53) could never afford a Colonoscopy, as he had no health insurance
(or an actual job) he has other things to pay for.

I did some looking, a Colonoscopy costs from a low of $650, to about $3200.

I saw what the insurance company was billed on the first one I had
about 5 years ago. Six or seven benign polyps removed.
$4700.
Go figure.

--Vic


When I looked at prices, they ranged from $1500 to $42000. If they find
polyps the charge for the removal of each one. $4700 sounds about right.

I'm kind if suspicious that my neighbor and I each had two. I'll bet
they never find just one.

That is a profit based health care system works.

Does the library make a profit? Fire Dept? Police? Craigslist?

As Craig said, "I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe our
health care system has the wrong focus.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:33:42 -0700, Jim wrote:



When I looked at prices, they ranged from $1500 to $42000. If they find
polyps the charge for the removal of each one. $4700 sounds about right.

Makes sense.

I'm kind if suspicious that my neighbor and I each had two. I'll bet
they never find just one.

I got pictures. And I actually woke up and was watching the screen
for a while, until the doc noticed and motioned the nurse to dope me
more.
Probably a good idea, because I was starting to feel the snake.
Saw him burning one out. Maybe I was under too long for the initial
dose.

--Vic

Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:31 -0700, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html



I'm going to defy the truce, which I shouldn't do.

Had an interesting discussion yesterday. Out of a group three of us
dock neighbors, two just had Colonoscopys. Both had two polyps removed.

Third guy, a liveaboard who makes his living doing odd jobs, said he
(age 53) could never afford a Colonoscopy, as he had no health
insurance (or an actual job) he has other things to pay for.

I did some looking, a Colonoscopy costs from a low of $650, to about
$3200.

I saw what the insurance company was billed on the first one I had
about 5 years ago. Six or seven benign polyps removed.
$4700.
Go figure.

--Vic


When I looked at prices, they ranged from $1500 to $42000. If they find
polyps the charge for the removal of each one. $4700 sounds about right.

I'm kind if suspicious that my neighbor and I each had two. I'll bet
they never find just one.

That is a profit based health care system works.

Does the library make a profit? Fire Dept? Police? Craigslist?

As Craig said, "I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe our
health care system has the wrong focus.

I saw bills totaling nearly $10,000 for a recent colonoscopy with polyp
removal/ endoscopy/ lab procedure.

just Jim wrote:
Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:31 -0700, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html



I'm going to defy the truce, which I shouldn't do.

Had an interesting discussion yesterday. Out of a group three of us
dock neighbors, two just had Colonoscopys. Both had two polyps
removed.

Third guy, a liveaboard who makes his living doing odd jobs, said he
(age 53) could never afford a Colonoscopy, as he had no health
insurance (or an actual job) he has other things to pay for.

I did some looking, a Colonoscopy costs from a low of $650, to about
$3200.

I saw what the insurance company was billed on the first one I had
about 5 years ago. Six or seven benign polyps removed.
$4700.
Go figure.

--Vic


When I looked at prices, they ranged from $1500 to $42000. If they
find polyps the charge for the removal of each one. $4700 sounds
about right.

I'm kind if suspicious that my neighbor and I each had two. I'll bet
they never find just one.

That is a profit based health care system works.

Does the library make a profit? Fire Dept? Police? Craigslist?

As Craig said, "I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe our
health care system has the wrong focus.

I saw bills totaling nearly $10,000 for a recent colonoscopy with polyp
removal/ endoscopy/ lab procedure.

Wow, but it still is 1/10 of cancer treatment, is far easier on you, and
has a better outcome.

I found a huge range of prices.

The challenge is to have whoever pays, pay the same price as a private
individual would pay. You know those guys who yell the loudest about
destroying capitalism? They are seemingly the same ones who don't want
competition in health care.

I'd sure like to see us find a way to provide preventative procedures
for everyone. That would undoubtedly be cheaper than what we do now.

Want a surprise? Look at life expectancy figures. We aren't at the
top. Interesting to see what countries have the longest, and who we are
behind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:51:31 -0700, Jim wrote:

H the K wrote:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html



I'm going to defy the truce, which I shouldn't do.

Had an interesting discussion yesterday. Out of a group three of us
dock neighbors, two just had Colonoscopys. Both had two polyps removed.

Third guy, a liveaboard who makes his living doing odd jobs, said he
(age 53) could never afford a Colonoscopy, as he had no health insurance
(or an actual job) he has other things to pay for.

I did some looking, a Colonoscopy costs from a low of $650, to about
$3200.

I saw what the insurance company was billed on the first one I had
about 5 years ago. Six or seven benign polyps removed.
$4700.
Go figure.

--Vic


When I looked at prices, they ranged from $1500 to $42000. If they find
polyps the charge for the removal of each one. $4700 sounds about right.

I'm kind if suspicious that my neighbor and I each had two. I'll bet they
never find just one.

That is a profit based health care system works.

Does the library make a profit? Fire Dept? Police? Craigslist?

As Craig said, "I'm running a service, not a business." Maybe our health
care system has the wrong focus.

I had one small polyp, and was not the type that goes rogue. So they said
come back in 10 years. Wife had different polyp and said come back in 5
years. She took the pills to clean her out this time. Said was much
better. My PPO had no co-pay and I get to pick my doc, unlike an HMO. So I
pick the best doc in the valley. I was turning 60, and had my deductible
paid, so figured I would get the colonoscopy for healths sake. Broken rib
playing roller hockey at 59 covers the deductible.