|
The HenryGate Affair
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:32:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer. There's another side to the story, folks. Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly". Eisboch Gates was clearly wrong not to produce ID immediately. Fighting with a cop, responding to a burglary in progress complaint is the stupid thing. I am an old white guy in a nice neighborhood and I would expect the cop to be suspicious of me until I showed some kind of ID. I am sure that if this happened while Gates was gone, and it was a real burglar, he would be complaining that the cops were not forceful enough with the burglars if they let them walk without showing ID. I would be thanking the police for protecting my home. That is what I pay them for. I am not sure if it is true but my NBC news outlet was flashing a picture of an arrest report with "intoxicated" in bold print on it. I understand these people are petty sloppy with their "B roll" footage and that could have really been Mel Gibson's arrest report since the Cambridge police have not "officially" released the report but if this was something that the news crew shot at the station this whole thing might quietly go away. This does say something about how well race relations are working in liberal Massachusetts when his neighbor can't even recognize their only black neighbor in broad daylight. "Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard and owned the bike. Please don't take offense at this, but you know - that's stretching the whole idea of "racial profiling". What if it had been a black officer and the student a white guy? Or even if the student had been a white guy? Do you seriously think that the cops aren't going to ask questions and if positive ID and ownership can't be established, do nothing about it? Come on - be reasonable. Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said. "That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society," Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional." Interesting. Mr. Weinblatt isn't listed as a member of the faculty of the Central Ohio Technical College. http://newark.osu.edu/faculty/osun.asp |
The HenryGate Affair
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote: Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said. "That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society," Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional." And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the difference in how it is perceived. No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who aren't cops telling cops how to be cops. The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated officer and has been recognized as one of the best. Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. |
The HenryGate Affair
On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, wrote: Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said. "That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society," Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional." And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the difference in how it is perceived. No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who aren't cops telling cops how to be cops. The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated officer and has been recognized as one of the best. Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops. What else is new? -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
The HenryGate Affair
"H the K" wrote in message m... On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote: The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated officer and has been recognized as one of the best. Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops. What else is new? Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's post again and try again. Eisboch |
The HenryGate Affair
|
The HenryGate Affair
On 7/23/09 6:01 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message m... On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote: The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated officer and has been recognized as one of the best. Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops. What else is new? Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's post again and try again. Eisboch Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops. I am not so predisposed. The sergeant should have known better. He overreacted to a nearly 60-year old slightly built man who needs a cane to get around. The cop should have said, "Sorry, we're just doing our jobs...have a nice day..." and left. As for one cop vouching for another...I'm not impressed. Remember Amadou Bailo Diallo, the 23-year-old Guinean immigrant in New York City who was shot and killed on February 4, 1999 by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers? You know...the subject of the song 41 Shots? The case in which Diallo was murdered by out of control cops who lied for each other and got off? -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
The HenryGate Affair
|
The HenryGate Affair
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:45:13 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote: Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said. "That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society," Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional." And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the difference in how it is perceived. No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who aren't cops telling cops how to be cops. The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated officer and has been recognized as one of the best. Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. I'm sure that's all true but I still think the cops should have backed off once they knew that he lived there. |
The HenryGate Affair
"H the K" wrote in message m... Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something. Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops. What else is new? Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's post again and try again. Eisboch Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops. I am not so predisposed. Forget the cops since you don't trust any. I was talking about this part of Tom's post: "Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his "do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital employees including his own staff. Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you something." You opted to ignore that part. Eisboch |
The HenryGate Affair
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... I have no doubt that there is plenty of culpability on the part of Gates applying normal standards of behavior and decorum. The cops however, once realizing that they'd made an honest mistake, should have let it go. Although it would have been nice if Gates had shown a little restraint on his part, he was probably already a bit out of sorts even before the police arrived from the 20 hour flight, arriving home to find himself locked out, etc. Who knows what else may have gone wrong for him that day? There's plenty of opportunity for that when you are traveling. I get scolded for snapping at an alarm company salesman. Eisboch |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:32 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com