Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:02 -0400, H K
wrote:

Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.
Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.


My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited. My
best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in
the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much
like the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal
Harbour. Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to do,
restaurants we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the condos,
easy fishing, Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport (cheap
airfares from here, convenient). I'm sure the other coast of florida
offers a lot, too...


I think the whole East Coast is too crowded, with the possible
exception of some areas around Melbourne. I have beaches around here I
can get to by boat in 20 minutes and not see a soul (with no condos).
We also have lots of places we can go up in the mangroves in the bay
where nobody goes.
On the other hand I am 10 minutes from a Ruths Chris steak house if I
want to spend some money, 10 minutes from I-75 and 15 minutes from an
international airport.
I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Yeah, a few years ago my bud got a nice little chunk of property about 3
miles from the 10 and 75 intersection.. Out in the sticks enough that
with the new Hilton and Walmart that came in he should be ok in a couple
of years...

Live Oak. If you're ever there, go to Sheffield's Catfish House, it's a
dumpy looking truckstop, best catfish ever.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?



--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:57:58 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:54:09 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe".

Perhaps, they are looking for cases of elderly abuse. It seems to be
prevalent.

H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't
like the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is
as prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it
uncomfortable talking about death, but your loved ones do need to
know your wishes about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).
What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

Social worker employment act.

H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't
like the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is
as prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it
uncomfortable talking about death, but your loved ones do need to
know your wishes about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).
What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)


When you visit your hospital, you are questioned by a social worker?

Really?

When my mother broke her neck, a social worker came by to review her
situation for "after care". This is standard operating procedure.
They reviewed her home situation to make sure someone would be able to
help her with her rehab and make sure she/and I understood all options
available.

One of the first questions the front desk asks when you visit a hospital
for any kind of procedure is "do you have a living will". They not only
want to know if you have a living will, but most will recommend you give
the hospital a copy so they have it on record in case they have to make
a decision when a family member is not available.


--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

H the K wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled “Advanced Care Planning Consultation” requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf


There's no way SW Tom will die with dignity.

Seriously, though, SW Tom has become or perhaps always was just another
right-wing "we can't fix that, do that, improve that" Republican who
goal it is to stymie Obama anyway he can. Improving society or making
life a bit easy for the disadvantaged...no concern of his.

Why fix what isn't broken.

Your alleged improvements to society are at the expense of individual
liberty.

Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:57:58 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.
Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.
I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.

I am sure they took at look at you and KNEW you were the one doing the
abusing.



--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message
...

The laws are designed to ferret out domestic abuse or elder abuse. And
despite being annoyed by all this, I'm ok with it. I understand why
they ask these questions because they are covering their corporate
asses from being sued as the abuse reporting requirements are so
stringent.

But it keeps getting longer and longer and goes into areas where they
dont' need to be.


Years ago my nephew caught a hook in the earlobe while fishing with his
father.
They took him to the emergency room. DSS was called in. They thought the
kid
was being used as a target while practicing casting.

Eisboch

NotNow wrote:
Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:02 -0400, H K
wrote:

Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.
Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.


My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited.
My best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in
the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much
like the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal
Harbour. Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to
do, restaurants we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the
condos, easy fishing, Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport
(cheap airfares from here, convenient). I'm sure the other coast of
florida offers a lot, too...


I think the whole East Coast is too crowded, with the possible
exception of some areas around Melbourne. I have beaches around here I
can get to by boat in 20 minutes and not see a soul (with no condos).
We also have lots of places we can go up in the mangroves in the bay
where nobody goes.
On the other hand I am 10 minutes from a Ruths Chris steak house if I
want to spend some money, 10 minutes from I-75 and 15 minutes from an
international airport.
I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Yeah, a few years ago my bud got a nice little chunk of property about
3 miles from the 10 and 75 intersection.. Out in the sticks enough
that with the new Hilton and Walmart that came in he should be ok in a
couple of years...

Live Oak. If you're ever there, go to Sheffield's Catfish House, it's a
dumpy looking truckstop, best catfish ever.

Live Oak, exactly... He has a little place down there, a vacation
trailer there that is open most of the year. When I go down someday, I
will check it out.

I love catfish. I used to live in a pretty rough neighborhood in
Hartford where this big dude had a catfish house. You should have seen
the faces when I walked in there, but the owner kept the patrons from
shooting me while I ate my fish and hushpuppies...