H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

-

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.
--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

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On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:30:06 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:45:19 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.

Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act that
discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't yet
reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to start
on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf

Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

I'm telling you flat out - rationed care, elderly, "consultations" -
Obama wants the boomers to go away - the faster the better.

Obama and the Congress Critters get the best of care for their entire
lives - too bad that everybody else has to pay for it including
eliminating senior citizens.

Screw you Obama.

Back in the 3rd quarter of the last century, works such as Logan's
Run, Animal Farm, 1984, and Brave New World were considered cautionary
tales, and for most persons in those days the notion of such radical
forms of society and government were disturbing. These days, for
Obama & Co, these works are manifestos for good government.

Cough, cough, hack, hack.... excuse me while I regain my breath.

Who's been using the womb and family values as a political tool?

Whoi's been completely and willingly blind to our health care crisis?

Who's trying to derail any progress on the front?

Yes, it's the Republican party and "conservatives."

You guys are a bloody mess.

****ing Bush and the Republicans saw this coming as much as 911 and
the economic crisis.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf

Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.

Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?

In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I'm sure if someone suggested you "just let go" you'd probably go for
it, eh? Lots of folks do. Most are ready to let go and get it
overwith.

You could do it with Harry's gun if you didn't want the assistance of
a medical professional who's in cahoots with Obama.

The soilent green factory awaits your contribution.

Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:06:35 -0400, Just Regigie
wrote:

H the K wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:56:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:32:36 -0400, Captain Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

Here's another interesting piece of Obamaca

".... we should be very troubled by Section 1233 of H.R. 3200. The
section, titled ?Advanced Care Planning Consultation? requires senior
citizens to meet at least every 5 years with a doctor or nurse
practitioner to discuss dying with dignity."

Screw you Obama.
Help me out here, Sec 1233 of H.R. 3200 concerns Bulk Transfers.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.3200:

There is, however, proposed amendments to the Social Security Act
that discuss living wills, powers of attorneys, and such. We haven't
yet reached Soylent Green. The clauses I'm sure you are referring to
start on page 425, he

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...cations/AAHCA-
BillText-071409.pdf
Nope. Sorry, had the wrong link.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...00ih.t xt.pdf


Pages 424/425.

It stops just short of euthanasia.

And frankly, I don't want to be preached at by some "health care
worker" about the value of "just letting go".

I get enough of that crap every time I go to a specialist - Do you
feel safe - has anybody threatened you - blah, blah, blah.
Gee, I'm older than you are and none of the medical folks I ever see ask
those sorts of questions. Do you look frail?
In many states it is the hospital and/or doctor's responsibility to ask
that question, and it is one of the first questions nurses asks of all
new patients.

Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

I took my mother in law to the hospital because she had cut her leg on
the car door. Because it was such a deep and long cut, they must have
asked her that question at least 5 times.

I took my wife (age 48) into the emergency room for pneumonia last year,
and it was one of the first questions they asked. The only thing that
surprised me, was they asked the question in front of me. If I was
really abusing her, they should be asking it discreetly without anyone
else around.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:00:38 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Water does make a difference. I've read that Miami has *never* reached
100 degrees. I mean, it's in the low nineties all summer long, but to
never have reached 100? I find that quite surprising.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".


SW Tom must spend a lot of time at the hospital. I don't. I've never
been to a doctor's office where anyone has asked me the questions under
discussion here. In fact, I visited my ophthalmologist last week for an
exam, and *he* didn't ask me, either.

I still wonder if SW Tom looks frail *or* perhaps he has a medical
history that might necessitate asking him those life or death questions.

Your point, however, is pertinent. It's a good idea to have a living will.


--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:02 -0400, H K
wrote:

Yeah, but I work at avoiding geezerhood.
Sarasota is really a fairly young town, particularly when you get away
from the filthy rich areas.


My wife has a number of relatives in that area, and we've visited. My
best memory is visiting her grandmother, who had a dozen or so
fruit-bearing citrus trees. Nothing beats picking fresh oranges in the am.

I just never "took" to the area. Too hot for me, and I didn't much like
the topography. When it comes to south Florida, I prefer Bal Harbour.
Just as hot, of course, and same flat land but...lots to do, restaurants
we like, uncrowded ocean beaches in front of the condos, easy fishing,
Carib/Latino culture, Ft. Lauderdale airport (cheap airfares from here,
convenient). I'm sure the other coast of florida offers a lot, too...


I think the whole East Coast is too crowded, with the possible
exception of some areas around Melbourne. I have beaches around here I
can get to by boat in 20 minutes and not see a soul (with no condos).
We also have lots of places we can go up in the mangroves in the bay
where nobody goes.
On the other hand I am 10 minutes from a Ruths Chris steak house if I
want to spend some money, 10 minutes from I-75 and 15 minutes from an
international airport.
I will trade a little "hot" for snow any day. I remember being plenty
hot in DC with no good way to cool off. I see plenty of 100+ weather
reports from cities up north and the water keeps it from ever getting
that hot here.

Harry doesn't realize all of this, of course. He just *thinks* he's an
expert climatologist.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:36:35 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:05 -0400, Captain Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


Harry is "special". He's exempt from both Federal and State laws
regarding these issues.

You know, I'm sure those clauses will be abused, and I really don't like
the sound of some of it, but these days, having a living will is as
prudent as having a regular will. Most of us find it uncomfortable
talking about death, but your loved ones do need to know your wishes
about "pulling the plug".

I'm not uncomfortable about it at all - I have a living will and very
specific instructions should I become incapacitated or unable to make
the decision on my own due to mental incapacity (save the jokes).

What bothers me is this ever growing intrusion into your personal life
by people who have no business being in it. In both MA and CT it's
almost as if they are trying to find something for their Social
Workers to do so they keep adding to the list.

Seriously, one of the questions is "do you feel safe". Ok, being the
jerk I am, my immediate response "No - the chances of obtaining a
terminal staph infection in your hospital are about 200% greater than
getting one at my home."

But it makes the point loud and clear. :)